Someone please explain this...

Considering PA used to be back of an autoparts catalog BS only listing unrealistic peak power ratings, I'd say best buy entry level is an improvement. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 
What you're describing is financial irresponsibility and not financial priority. Financial priority is making sure you have the money to cover the cost. If you're saving, it is implicit that it is a financial priority.
That is a logical fallacy. Saving would actually mean it is not a financial priority. Priority indicates time. You put this item first. It is ahead of everything else. By definition something you're saving for is put on the back burner. You stuff away whatever money is left over from the priority items.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. You obviously have a gripe with branding. I agree to some extent but you wont hear me call a piece of Kicker or JL equipment bad or hate on someone who runs it.
That was factually incorrect. If you want to argue that, quote me and state specifics.

Owners who think they're better because Best Buy and all the big money show cars run it too are another story... I simply do not condone your negative connotation toward people who have no desire to have the latest and greatest equipment. That's akin to people who only like ported boxes because they're louder, or who dont like anything but a proper woofer in an IB arrangement because that's what sounds best. Each person has their individual taste. There is some pride in having paid beans for your equipment yet being fully satisfied with the results.
I never said that. You are arguing something you made up. The fact remains, if you set a goal for equipment, get a little money in your hand and go spend it on something you did not orginally want, you are not an enthusiast. It's not logically debatable. You guys have literally had to lie and spin what I said to try to argue it. It's laughable.

 
You would afford the Xcons much sooner if you skipped buying the skars. Tell me what my definition was again.... quote me and find what my definition was, then come back and tell me what you said here accurately represents it.
If I skip the skars, I'll have no bass for however long it takes me to achieve the xcons, where as I can take about a month out of that time frame to use for the skars, and have bass until I can afford the xcons. Not only that, I can just sell the skars to help towards the xcons. Plus it's not like its junk equipment either. Hell I may not even go with the xcons and just send the skars to SPL Audio to do his magic.

But saying that Im not an enthusiast because of this is just plain retarded.

 
If I skip the skars, I'll have no bass for however long it takes me to achieve the xcons, where as I can take about a month out of that time frame to use for the skars, and have bass until I can afford the xcons. Not only that, I can just sell the skars to help towards the xcons. Plus it's not like its junk equipment either. Hell I may not even go with the xcons and just send the skars to SPL Audio to do his magic.
But saying that Im not an enthusiast because of this is just plain retarded.
My point EXACTLY
 
If I skip the skars, I'll have no bass for however long it takes me to achieve the xcons, where as I can take about a month out of that time frame to use for the skars, and have bass until I can afford the xcons.
So the cost of the skars would take a month of savings? This means based on the cost of both, that you will only be getting the skars for a month as well. So just go without the skars for a month and get the xcons. You won't get what you paid for the skars so you will lose money and for what? A month? It's not good logic.... at all. Wait for what you want, especially if it is such a short amount of time like you say.

Not only that, I can just sell the skars to help towards the xcons. Plus it's not like its junk equipment either. Hell I may not even go with the xcons and just send the skars to SPL Audio to do his magic.
So you don't really know what you want... you just want to spend some money. Gotcha.

But saying that Im not an enthusiast because of this is just plain retarded.
What I've said is perfectly logical, and if you say it applies to you, then you need to show how the logic is flawed. So far, you haven't.
 
So the cost of the skars would take a month of savings? This means based on the cost of both, that you will only be getting the skars for a month as well. So just go without the skars for a month and get the xcons. You won't get what you paid for the skars so you will lose money and for what? A month? It's not good logic.... at all. Wait for what you want, especially if it is such a short amount of time like you say.
So you don't really know what you want... you just want to spend some money. Gotcha.

What I've said is perfectly logical, and if you say it applies to you, then you need to show how the logic is flawed. So far, you haven't.
My electrical as of right now can handle the power I put on the skars. Whereas if I go with the xcon, I have to buy quite a few other things which will take some time to completely put together. As my current setup got stolen I'd like to have something to hold me over until I can go with the xcons.

I know what I want, 4k to a pair of 10s. Depending on how I like the skars and what I can do to them, I'll either send them to SPL Audio or go with the Xcons. My original plan when I had my tc 15 was a pair of xcons. It got stolen, so I have no bass now. Skar has a great sub/box combo right now which would be easy for me to afford to have until I can achieve the goal of 4k on a pair of 10s.

Not only that, I was also going with this combo since it comes with a box, and I'd already have one later on down the road. This was not impluse buying, this was actual planning out what I can do and what would benefit me the most. Trust me, I can sacrifice a little time from my goal so I can have something in the meantime. Why be miserable with no bass when I can have a system that will do good and hold me over until I can get what I want?

Like I said, saying I'm not a car audio enthusiast because of this is just plain retarded.

 
So the cost of the skars would take a month of savings? This means based on the cost of both, that you will only be getting the skars for a month as well. So just go without the skars for a month and get the xcons. You won't get what you paid for the skars so you will lose money and for what? A month? It's not good logic.... at all. Wait for what you want, especially if it is such a short amount of time like you say.
So you don't really know what you want... you just want to spend some money. Gotcha.

What I've said is perfectly logical, and if you say it applies to you, then you need to show how the logic is flawed. So far, you haven't.
He's not saying he doesn't know what he wants, he's saying he might be happy with the Skar's and not even feel the need to upgrade the the xcon's

Why don't you go back to moderating your po-dunk website of yours and stop being such an unbearable asshole. You've got your head so far up your ass, you can't see how stupid what you're saying is. People set short term goals all of the time. His short term goal is to get the skar's and save for the XCON's. Everyone does this, you did it with your first system, I doubt you bought Arc Audio amps and TC subs your first system, no you didn't. You bought entry level equipment and then upgraded slowly over time.

You just need to admit that you're wrong and move on, no one is supporting you and your hair-brained conceptualizations of what defines an enthusiast.

 
I will say all day I am glad to spend the money to have my local shop do my bass installs. I can run wires, and hook up mids/HUs all day. I am no carpenter, nor do I have any box building knowledge. They have made me loud multiple builds in a row, and I find no shame in saying their knowledge and hard work is what made me loud. Maybe more people should be able to humble themselves in this sport as I do.

I am in no way saying I am humble elsewhere, I know I am an egomaniac, just not in this area.

 
My electrical as of right now can handle the power I put on the skars. Whereas if I go with the xcon, I have to buy quite a few other things which will take some time to completely put together. As my current setup got stolen I'd like to have something to hold me over until I can go with the xcons.
So according to you, because a subwoofer has a particular rms rating, you HAVE to apply that much power to it? I just want to make sure I understand what you are saying.

I know what I want, 4k to a pair of 10s. Depending on how I like the skars and what I can do to them, I'll either send them to SPL Audio or go with the Xcons. My original plan when I had my tc 15 was a pair of xcons. It got stolen, so I have no bass now. Skar has a great sub/box combo right now which would be easy for me to afford to have until I can achieve the goal of 4k on a pair of 10s.
"until I can achieve the goal....." No matter what you say, you achieve this goal MUCH MUCH sooner if you simply save your money until you're sure what you want and you have the money to purchase it.

Not only that, I was also going with this combo since it comes with a box, and I'd already have one later on down the road. This was not impluse buying, this was actual planning out what I can do and what would benefit me the most. Trust me, I can sacrifice a little time from my goal so I can have something in the meantime. Why be miserable with no bass when I can have a system that will do good and hold me over until I can get what I want?
Conversely, why be miserable with a prefab box which might be ok for the skar but will probably **** with xcons? Why not just save the money and do it right the first time? You'll be more miserable without bass after you buy the wrong crap because you couldn't wait to spend your money?
Like I said, saying I'm not a car audio enthusiast because of this is just plain retarded.
I don't think you are. You are willing to sacrifice quality to get something sooner. That speaks for itself.
 
Conversely, why be miserable with a prefab box which might be ok for the skar but will probably **** with xcons? Why not just save the money and do it right the
They're custom made boxes specifically designed for the SKAR, you twat. I also like how you're completely skipping my posts.

 
He's not saying he doesn't know what he wants, he's saying he might be happy with the Skar's and not even feel the need to upgrade the the xcon's
AKA he's not sure if he wants the Xcons, aka he doesn't know what he wants... lol
Why don't you go back to moderating your po-dunk website of yours and stop being such an unbearable asshole. You've got your head so far up your ass, you can't see how stupid what you're saying is.
There are no rules. What is to moderate? You are mad because you cannot logically defend your position and you're butthurt because you think you're guilty of what I've said. I understand, but don't lash out and make yourself look MORE foolish with your silly arguments that don't make any sense.

People set short term goals all of the time. His short term goal is to get the skar's and save for the XCON's. Everyone does this, you did it with your first system, I doubt you bought Arc Audio amps and TC subs your first system, no you didn't. You bought entry level equipment and then upgraded slowly over time.
Since you know so much about me, what did I buy? If you do not know, we can say with certainty that this statement is total assumption and bs.

You just need to admit that you're wrong and move on, no one is supporting you and your hair-brained conceptualizations of what defines an enthusiast.
Really? What about the guys who have clicked like on several of my posts, or the people who posted agreeing with me? That would seem to disagree with you wouldn't it? Doesn't that prove that you're lying, since there is a direct contradiction to what you're saying freely available in this thread for everyone to see?
 
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