re SE vs. type r

[Bumpin' Yota 10+ year member]

146 with an 81000d is weak, but from testing, the 81000d wasn't a great amp either....

ok time out, I know most of you know your isht, but so do I. I respect your opinions even though I disagree. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

The 146, if it was on a TL legal, with SEALED subs, is a very good score. If on an AC well I dunno, ive seen those hydrophones all over the place....

Secondarily the 81000 is a hell of an amp and I have MORE than enough test data to prove it. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

First and formost you must pull Q240 to mod them to remove the voltage protection. Next you have to know how to precisely set the gains. Set RCA output voltage from deck to 0.38vac, max out gain turn off bass boost, open crossover wide open. Run at 17.5volts with a dcr of 0.7 or less for burps only. Doing this we were seeing 5kW per strapped pair. These are directions directly from Mitek...to its competitors...im likely going to regret posting that here.... (MOD AND RUN BELOW 2OHM DCR AT YOUR OWN RISK!!)

I myself ran 4 of them at 1.4 daily, and for a while earlier 2 at 0.7 each daily. They are tanks and very good amps - particularly for the money.

The ONLY beef I have about the amp is that its heavy and that the 81000d requires external bridging mods to strap. The 1501d, same amp, has a phase switch allowing easy strappability. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

As far as the subs, well I cant comment on either as I've not used them. In the past alpine hasnt impressed me, in the past RE has though...that doesnt mean anything persay, but that is likely why the type R catches so much flack

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

ok time out' date=' I know most of you know your isht, but so do I.
The 146, [b']if it was on a TL legal, with SEALED subs,[/b] is a fine score!!

Secondarily the 81000 is a hell of an amp and I have MORE than enough test data to prove it. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

First and formost you must pull Q240 to mod them to remove the voltage protection. Next you have to know how to precisely set the gains. Set RCA output voltage from deck to 0.38vac, max out gain turn off bass boost, open crossover wide open. Run at 17.5volts with a dcr of 0.7 or less for burps only. Doing this we were seeing 5kW per strapped pair. These are directions directly from Mitek...to its competitors...im likely going to regret posting that here.... (MOD AND RUN BELOW 2OHM DCR AT YOUR OWN RISK!!)

I myself ran 4 of them at 1.4 daily, and for a while earlier 2 at 0.7 each daily. They are tanks and very good amps - particularly for the money.

The ONLY beef I have about the amp is that its heavy and that the 81000d requires external bridging mods to strap. The 1501d, same amp, has a phase switch allowing easy strappability. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

As far as the subs, well I cant comment on either as I've not used them. In the past alpine hasnt impressed me, in the past RE has though...that doesnt mean anything persay, but that is likely why the type R catches so much flack

That 146 is on the a/c 160 (the one that goes in your dash).

And, while you have proven the 81000d to be a great amp when HEAVILY modded, ran at 17v, and tuned VERY precisely, what about a daily (14.4v) application?

 

[Bumpin' Yota 10+ year member]

That 146 is on the a/c 160 (the one that goes in your dash).
And, while you have proven the 81000d to be a great amp when HEAVILY modded, ran at 17v, and tuned VERY precisely, what about a daily (14.4v) application?

Ehhh all ya gotta do is pull Q240. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif EQ used to do what I call "heavy modding" //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I never got a chance to test mine output wise in a 12v setup. (13.0v dropping to about 10.6) However one interesting footnote.

4 mtx 81000ds on 2 9915 - 150.3 legal new TL

4 zapco 9.0s on 2 9915 - 151.6 legal new TL

Same everything save power, so id say they were doing fairly good. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[InhumanAcura 5,000+ posts]

the se was the least loud 12" sub we've tested.

 

[eisenhower 10+ year member]

For practical purposes (IE listening to music...) the SE is a great sub. I happen to think its very loud, maybe not for hardcore competing, BUT THATS NOT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD. It seems like everytime a type r v.s. thread comes up, the tcab and phat hertz boys come in with some spl #'s and with their "extensive testing" of either woofer. I honestly don't think the poster gives a shit weather or not you can throw 2000 watts at an type r 10" and get 150 db.

 

[Do_ 10+ year member]

I have been looking at the RE's and SE's for quite some time now and this thread just adds more murk to the water. SPL isn't as important as merely hearing the subs over the exhaust. ;P That WinISD Sheet shows the RE having a lot of low end where the Alpine doesn't have a high curve. Does that mean even though it may be quieter the RE Sub reproduces the low subsonic bass better?

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

Don't go by WinISD, it doesn't accurately convey what the driver could do in-cabin.

For practical purposes (IE listening to music...) the SE is a great sub. I happen to think its very loud, maybe not for hardcore competing, BUT THATS NOT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD. It seems like everytime a type r v.s. thread comes up, the tcab and phat hertz boys come in with some spl #'s and with their "extensive testing" of either woofer. I honestly don't think the poster gives a shit weather or not you can throw 2000 watts at an type r 10" and get 150 db.

I happen to agree with all of that //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

For practical purposes (IE listening to music...) the SE is a great sub. I happen to think its very loud, maybe not for hardcore competing, BUT THATS NOT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD. It seems like everytime a type r v.s. thread comes up, the tcab and phat hertz boys come in with some spl #'s and with their "extensive testing" of either woofer. I honestly don't think the poster gives a shit weather or not you can throw 2000 watts at an type r 10" and get 150 db.

Like i've stated before, i've had the SE and seXXX in daily installs as well. It's not like I drive around every day with a 150 dB stereo playing. In fact, i'd be lucky if my daily box broke a 140 (probably closer to 135). And i can say, without a doubt in my mind, that the seXXX was not only louder in a DAILY application, but it also sounded better too. The SE, IMO, didn't satisfy me in any way (SQ or SPL). Thus, from what i can tell, the type-r should perform better in my daily install as well. It's just that the type-r doesn't fit in this daily box (too deep), but i have another box i may throw it in and test it out. I've had experience with BOTH of the subs that the original poster was referring to, so i think i have MUCH more credibility than some of the posters in this thread.

That about sums up my opinion of this thread.

Which, overall, would produce the best SQL results. Get plenty loud while retaining SQ.

The thread starter wanted SQ, while still getting loud. I honestly do not think the SE will fare well in either category.

 

[poopspoon 10+ year member]

type r is a good sub if u like half of the world having the same exact sub as yourself this also includes ethiopians(sp).But it is still a good sub and the se is also.

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

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[HincklNutt 10+ year member]

se is one hell of a sub though

i loved my 10"*bought it off REQ"

 

[InhumanAcura 5,000+ posts]

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[adam71 5,000+ posts]

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[adam71 5,000+ posts]

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[eisenhower 10+ year member]

Like i've stated before, i've had the SE and seXXX in daily installs as well. It's not like I drive around every day with a 150 dB stereo playing. In fact, i'd be lucky if my daily box broke a 140 (probably closer to 135). And i can say, without a doubt in my mind, that the seXXX was not only louder in a DAILY application, but it also sounded better too. The SE, IMO, didn't satisfy me in any way (SQ or SPL). Thus, from what i can tell, the type-r should perform better in my daily install as well. It's just that the type-r doesn't fit in this daily box (too deep), but i have another box i may throw it in and test it out. I've had experience with BOTH of the subs that the original poster was referring to, so i think i have MUCH more credibility than some of the posters in this thread.
That about sums up my opinion of this thread.

The thread starter wanted SQ, while still getting loud. I honestly do not think the SE will fare well in either category.

Thats your opinion, and its WRONG.