re SE vs. type r

[Spkrman]

what I'm saying here is you can't comment on tommy's opinion of the RE SE vs the type R... he's owned both. If he says one is better, one is better, bam, done. He did extensive testing with all of the above.

Its not that the SE was "bad" period, its that it was "bad" compared to the type R.

I'd love to know how you lost 6db from your sealed 15's going to 4 "superior" 10's? 140 on an epic isn't loud, period. I don't care who sat in your car and said it was loud... thats just weak. It doesn't matter if the SE 10 is "good"... the type R 10 is better, and thats what the whole dam thread is supposed to be about, not you validating that your system is anything more than weak.

 

[iagrdshaka 5,000+ posts]

what I'm saying here is you can't comment on tommy's opinion of the RE SE vs the type R... he's owned both. If he says one is better, one is better, bam, done. He did extensive testing with all of the above.

Its better in his setup.

 

[Raven 10+ year member]

what I'm saying here is you can't comment on tommy's opinion of the RE SE vs the type R... he's owned both. If he says one is better, one is better, bam, done. He did extensive testing with all of the above.
Its not that the SE was "bad" period, its that it was "bad" compared to the type R.

OMGWTFWOW TYPE R IS BETTER CUZ OF 1 GUYZ TEST !!!11!!1

Tommy's setups must be exactly the same as every other setup on the planet. No matter what car you use, what box you use, how the sub is placed, what direction it's facing, how much deadener is used, power, source, vehicle condition, and listener preference, the Type R will always be better. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[mazdakid 5,000+ posts]

yup, the speakerman said it himself, its gotta be right

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

The SE 10" was in 1.5 cubes, tuned to 35hz. A perfectly suitable box for it. IMO, it didn't get nearly as loud as i THOUGHT it could, and the SQ was sub-par.

I switched to an seXXX and it got MUCH louder, and in all honesty, I thought the seXXX sounded better too. Much more accurate.

Now, in terms of straight SPL, there's no comparison. The type-r kicks the seXXX's ***, hence it kicks the SE's *** too. Not to mention it's cheaper, and more widely available.

Man this thread got out of hand quick.

The guy wanted opinions, i gave him mine. I get called out saying that the SE MUST have been in the wrong box? How so? Because it got beat by another sub? OMG!!! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!11 A SE GOT BEAT BY ANOTHER SUB!! RUN FOR COVER!!

How about this, the only people who can post from now on are people with REAL WORLD experience with BOTH subs. Until then, STFU.

FYI: I still run my seXXX for a daily setup, so don't think I am against RE at all. I've beaten the shit out of this sub for almost 2 years and it still works great.

 

[SBLAZER]

wha they are tryin 2 say is, juss drop the R in a ported box that the SE came out of and u will see a diff. thats all

 

[dbhittin 5,000+ posts]

ive tried both and the type r takes the win

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

Uh, not once did you mention that the SE sounded like crap....yet in another reply, it was said....and you built many boxes for the se and just couldn't get it to sound right. Perhaps you outta look into that. Is it because the se didn't live up to your standards as far as what you were looking for in a driver??? And the type r did?? Great. I'm happy for ya....but godddammit...the se is a great sub. Im not saying at all its better than a type r period....where did I say it is?? All I'm doing is defending the SE....that's all.

I never said it sounded like crap?

I've owned an SE, and now have a type-r
type-r kicks the SE's *** in terms of output, and in all honesty, I think my SE sounded like crap too.

So, IMO, type-r is better all around. I'd have it in my daily box right now if it wasn't too deep. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif But the seXXX is doing nicely in it. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

There's my FIRST post in this thread. And it says it there clear as day. I never said i couldn't get it to sound "right", and i couldn't get it to sound good or loud. I never had any level of judgement on what was loud or good, because the SE was my 2nd sub EVER. I just had an expectation of what it SHOULD HAVE sounded like, and was let down.

146 with an 81000d is weak, but from testing, the 81000d wasn't a great amp either....

 

[Raven 10+ year member]

TommyK90:

I'm happy that at least someone here can get away with a lower priced woofer. But, I take your results for what they are - specific to your applications. Spkrman made a post that I took as him implying that the results were more or less universal, and I retorted. No disrespect to you, your designs and work with enclosures are amazing, and you have the numbers and trophies to prove it. I just dissed another post claiming / implying that your tests prove that Type Rs are better 100% of the time, which I don't think even you would agree with.

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

TommyK90:I'm happy that at least someone here can get away with a lower priced woofer. But, I take your results for what they are - specific to your applications. Spkrman made a post that I took as him implying that the results were more or less universal, and I retorted. No disrespect to you, your designs and work with enclosures are amazing, and you have the numbers and trophies to prove it. I just dissed another post claiming / implying that your tests prove that Type Rs are better 100% of the time, which I don't think even you would agree with.

Better 100% of the time, no. Better ALOT of the time? Yes.

We've replaced many a woofer with the type-r, and it's always come out on top. Even in a simple drop-in test, the type-r performed better. Hell, thats why I started using it in the first place. I dropped one in my seXXX competition box and watched it spank the seXXX scores.

But the type-r isn't for everyone, no doubt. Hence why we NEVER recommend the type-r to be sealed, it just doesn't perform in sealed boxes. Or if you are really limited on space or tuned high. It's a sub that likes to have airspace and perform down low. Hence why it makes a GREAT daily sub.

 

[dbhittin 5,000+ posts]

what i think it is, everyone try's one sub company like RE... they think there loud and sound good, but yet haven't tried anything else.. so they stand by RE.. then u have people on here, very few who have tried lots of other subs, and then tried the type r.. and what do u know.. it performs better. ive tried tons of subs and for the price, u seriously cant beat it.. im almost positive alpine puts more time testing and desiging that sub compared to most companys... if u made a real life test of 20 subs all under $200.. i bet it will come out on top

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

Better 100% of the time, no. Better ALOT of the time? Yes.
We've replaced many a woofer with the type-r, and it's always come out on top. Even in a simple drop-in test, the type-r performed better. Hell, thats why I started using it in the first place. I dropped one in my seXXX competition box and watched it spank the seXXX scores.

But the type-r isn't for everyone, no doubt. Hence why we NEVER recommend the type-r to be sealed, it just doesn't perform in sealed boxes. Or if you are really limited on space or tuned high. It's a sub that likes to have airspace and perform down low. Hence why it makes a GREAT daily sub.

I know you have done alot of applications to the R. I just dont understand why everyone says it sucks sealed. I have done 144.3 at the dash on 190 a/c and 140.2 on the tl. That is sealed and sounds very good minus some of the mid part of the sub. Gets low and loud though. I am sure I would gain DBs ported, but my rock and roll and alternative doesnt sound good ported. Just wondering why you think it sucks sealed. I have mine at 1.75cft box. Peace!

Also boomnblzr. I have had almost every imaginable mic in my rides. From the epics, to the a/c's to name brands like rockford,soundstream and such all the way up to the TL.

 

[eisenhower 10+ year member]

how much power does the type r need compared to the SE? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

You're all a bunch of SPL morons if you ask me.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif :laugh: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

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[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

These are the subs I had in my rig: 2 ED "k" series 12's....in a 5 cubed ported box, didn't sound too bad.
2 15w3's...these things get pretty dam loud if you ask me...I woulda had a vented enclosure for them but at the time my blzr was experiencing problems so I never did and sold the subs....and the other 81000D...yes I had 2 at the time.

What I have now is of course 4 RE SE 10's. Oh hell no they don't get loud at all. I'll just let them speak for themselves AND...just wait until I get the 81000D hooked up....oh wait, its a shitty amp...perhaps I just need to sell the amp and the subs and get a BETTER amp (what amp do you suggest tommyboy, an alpine?) and get rid of the se's and get the type r's. There. Then we can be all happy.

We tested an 81000d and, to say the least, it didn't do NEAR it's rated power, and sucked up alot of current in the process.

If you want a GOOD amp that'll do GOOD power, look at an orion 2500d, viper 2500.1 (though we tested the orion to be better than this amp as well).

And SUV's are easy as hell to get loud, i don't know where you heard otherwise. 146 on the a/c 160 is a TERRIBLE score, especially with that much cone area.

How much did you pay for your "1500" watt amp? You really have no idea how loud 4 10" type-rs would be in a properly built ported enclosure and a nice amount of power on tap.