opinions on edead sound deadener

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

I have put peel and seel in my friends car

You don't like your friend? Jerk. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Peal n Seal, made for ......ummm....pealing and sealing.

That company on ebay, what is it like Sound Distroyer or something? I can't remember, but they have the best ad for peal n seal for your car I've ever seen. It's so outrageous, you cannot help but read it in utter amazement. They sould sell gravity boots, too. They are good!! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Sorry to inturrupt the anecdote fest. Please, carry on....

 

[TurdFergueson2 5,000+ posts]

It's no use getting on this guy for what he likes. eDead is for some not all. It should be left at that. I used it on some flat surfaces with a can of spray adhesive and it's doing ok for me. I won't sit here and defend the product like it won't peel or it IS thick enough. I did have to go over areas with the roller more than once. Bottom line is, Na_Rsx likes it and it is working for him. I have a roll and 1/2 of it left and a door pack of Dynamat Xtreme that I will use up this weekend. The combination of both should do something.

Honestly, I wouldn't buy it again because of how thin it is. I say it is good for "Cheap" areas like floors, vertical surfaces and things of that nature. I wouldn't do my headliner with it though. As far as testing it's intention (dampen sound) I will know after this weekend.

I know a guy that did his whole car in multiple layers of Peel & Seal. He had the clearest highs I ever heard. I wonder what he could do with something better than the Home Depot shit?

 

[na_rsx 10+ year member]

lmao what a bunch of babies.

like always, you guys win, happy

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

Sorry to interrupt the anecdote fest. Please, carry on....

I know a guy that did his whole car in multiple layers of Peel & Seal. He had the clearest highs I ever heard.

I knew I should have been a psychic. Or am I already........//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

do any of you guys have experience with edead falling off?

I already replied to a previous question of yours with this link to an extensive discussion and demonstration of the problem BETWEEN BATCHES with several reports of failure.

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

Things are getting a little confused here. The current eDead versions use a butyl adhesive with a thin Mylar facing. These versions have had numerous reports of peeling that is very easy to reproduce. Some batches have had better adhesion and on others it has been terrible. I have no idea how prevalent the weak adhesive is and neither does ED since they have sworn up and down that each batch is identical and has passed their rigorous QC procedures. This thread on DIYMA goes into to all of that.

The second issue with eDead is the thin Mylar facing. This is much less effective than foil in a few important ways that I really don't want to go into again. It's cheap but doesn't perform well. You need more eDead to accomplish the same thing as much less of better products. 4 layers of vibration damper is insane and should be considered a product failure on its face.

Peel & Seal, FatMat and the original version of eDead are asphalt products with aluminum foil facing. Asphalt has the disadvantage of not being viscoelastic. Right off the bat you are sacrificing an important mechanism for vibration damping. That said, just adding mass and, especially in the winter, the added stiffening you will get will be much better than nothing. The real problem with asphalt is that it is very unreliable. Ignore any anecdotal evidence of reliability for installs that is less than three years old. Every day that an asphalt product is in a car brings it closer to failure - that's just how it works. It won't always fail, but it does so with an alarming predictability. Most advocates of asphalt have had it fail a little further down the line. Shon from ROE and Jacob from Sundown are well known examples. Jacob in particular had such a meticulous installation procedure that if technique were an issue at all, his asphalt would never have melted or fallen off. It just isn't worth the risk - especially since you are starting with lower performance. I a convinced that much less butyl/aluminum foil product will work as well or better than much more asphalt product. You don't even end up saving money for all of the risk you take. price/ft² is a meaningless metric. Even coverage is a waste of materials and time.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

You don't like your friend? Jerk. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif
Peal n Seal, made for ......ummm....pealing and sealing.

That company on ebay, what is it like Sound Distroyer or something? I can't remember, but they have the best ad for peal n seal for your car I've ever seen. It's so outrageous, you cannot help but read it in utter amazement. They sould sell gravity boots, too. They are good!! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Sorry to inturrupt the anecdote fest. Please, carry on....

What?

I didn't recommend it, he bought it on his own and asked me to help him with it and my dumbass did.

Still holding up to this day and quieted down his ride for the most part.

Some people like to stick with brand names or hype, which is whatever. I used SS and it is working, but was a lot harder to put on than the other deadeners and cut the shit out of my hands. I didn't have that problem with the other cheap deadeners.

Also I have had expensive *** deadeners in my rides which all have done the job, just about as much as the cheap ones have to be honest. I will stick to the cheap deadeners as they seem to work just fine in my expierence. So until I see something not holding up, then so be it.

 

[ktraughb 10+ year member]

wow. this thread went a lot further than i expected. the only one i have experience with is dynamat, which works great. however, even at emp. cost at best buy, its still terribly expensive to get what i want out of it. i know second skin sounds like the shit, but its out of my current price range as well. i think where i am leading is toward some fatmat...it looks very similar in terms of real foil backing to dynamat etc.

i was wondering what edesigns actually put on their backing, and you all answered that for me. thank you for potentially saving me. id never heard any good or bad until now, so i had no opinion. so fatmat it is, any bad stuff on it or is at least fair?

 

[mlstrass 5,000+ posts]

My foil P&S is going on it's 3rd year in a black car that sees 95+ temps in the summer which is around 120 inside the car and sub zero temps in the winter.

Not ONE piece has come loose yet, so maybe I got lucky or just installed it properly. At the time it was $10 for 18.75 sq ft. At that price it was easy to double/triple up. Overlapping edges, making sure the surface is clean, and using some elbow grease to push it into place are the "tricks" I used.

My car is virtually rattle/noise free, so I'm happy with my investment...

 

[ktraughb 10+ year member]

where do u buy that stuff. never heard of it.

 

[groundpound4200 5,000+ posts]

me likey.... I used it in my last 2 rides

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

wow. this thread went a lot further than i expected. the only one i have experience with is dynamat, which works great. however, even at emp. cost at best buy, its still terribly expensive to get what i want out of it. i know second skin sounds like the shit, but its out of my current price range as well. i think where i am leading is toward some fatmat...it looks very similar in terms of real foil backing to dynamat etc. i was wondering what edesigns actually put on their backing, and you all answered that for me. thank you for potentially saving me. id never heard any good or bad until now, so i had no opinion. so fatmat it is, any bad stuff on it or is at least fair?

FatMat = Peel & Seal = asphalt.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

have you ever tried edead, sh1t majority of the people on here just jumped on the edead hate wagon and have no experience with it.

Have you ever put a gun to your head and pulled the trigger, just to prove to yourself it would be fatal?
Or how about this, have you ever done scientific testing of each of these products like Rudy has, and been nice enough to come here regularly to share/explain YOUR findings?

Have YOU ever even used SS or raamat etc, to have any comparison?

Do you know what a hypocrite is?

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

jesus christ, for having a company, you do not know how to read posts......clearly. i never said they are equal, i said they do the same thing. did you not read the part where i said your stuff is high quality and top notch, or are you too busy trying to "pwnt" somebody.

Your original comment was in the case of deadening mat, you dont 'get what you pay for'. Obviously implying quality differences were irrelevant, and buy the cheap stuff. Now you want us to believe your point wasn't about quality differences, but that they all aspire to the same goal, because the post also included the vague statement that they 'do the same thing'. If your point wasn't about which mat is superior, what exactly was your point when you said you dont get what you pay for? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif
You always do this to yourself. You need to learn when to stop squirming to save face, and just say uncle. You are too busy trying to keep from getting "pwnt" to realize you "pwnt" yourself.

 

[ktraughb 10+ year member]

FatMat = Peel & Seal = asphalt.

so are you saying in comparison to edead, that fatmat and pand s arent as good? if im hearing correct it is better to use the butyle deadening, and not the asphalt? if so edead falls into that category. even though it has the thin mylar backing and some possible sticking issues? im not 100% sure if you are saying its better in comparison to those. like i said, i have no experience other than dynamat. is it a butyl or asphalt compound? and rudy you sound like youve actually tested and used these. other than raamaat, and second skin, what would you recommend as a third, all other variables aside. no spray adhesive, no dynamat either.