opinions on edead sound deadener

[ktraughb 10+ year member]

kudos to both companies for responding within about 12 hours.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

Some peeled back on the edges. Some did not stick at all in some spots. Some stuck like a mofo. Edead still remains in some spots in my car other than what's pictured and looks even worse. That's a very flattering picture for the product, actually.
When this happens you're left with a couple options:

1) Cut out the spots that don't stick. This leaves the spots that do stick. What if those fail over time?

2) Completely cover the whole area with something better. What if the stuff underneath fails later down the road? You've now wasted two deadeners and a lot of time.

3) Remove it all and start over. As i mentioned, asphalt is not pretty coming back up. It's really a bad experience...blood, bruises and a bad back.

For the 100th time, asphalt is not deadener, it's not predictable and it's not dependable. Using it as a "deadener" is not wise.

Well the newer install you did, don't look much better than the first one, lol!

I will call it what I want, it stopped all my vibrations for the most part, so I consider it dead! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Go cry in your corner old man and get frustrated some more.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

I will call it what I want, it stopped all my vibrations for the most part, so I consider it dead! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

That's the most important thing, now isn't it. And you've already made up your mind how awesome it is and what a smart consumer you are for investing it it. Perfect. Fact remains that you are still a nucklehead for recommending asphalt as deadener. Unless, of course, you'd like to come up with a scientific justification for it's use? We're all waiting, dazzle us.

Oh, and we're the same age there puddin pop. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

i talked to rick from raamat, he said that the current formula of raamat bxt contains no asphalt at all. he said that the previous formula did contain a high quality layer of asphalt, and it actually made for an easier install. he said they wish it was still there but it is in a war shortage. however, i like the idea that the new version contains no asphalt, even it was just a filler layer. also eDead has responded with the same, that none of their deadener products contain any asphalt anymore.

Good. Thing is, not all butylene rubber composite is created equal. We need it to damp, first and foremost. But, there's a lot more to an effective and valuable CLD mat than that factor alone. So here's one area where our anecdotal evidence is helpful; but unfortunately far too few actually understand the nature of the beast to begin with. This, of course, makes recommendations just kind of silly. Vibration damping can be achieved in many many ways.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

You are both youngsters to me. Damn whipper snappers.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

That's the most important thing, now isn't it. And you've already made up your mind how awesome it is and what a smart consumer you are for investing it it. Perfect. Fact remains that you are still a nucklehead for recommending asphalt as deadener. Unless, of course, you'd like to come up with a scientific justification for it's use? We're all waiting, dazzle us.
Oh, and we're the same age there puddin pop. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

You are the same age as me? Well shit, then act it! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif But to note I also checked your profile and all I got was that you are "god" and you "create."

What do you want me to dazzle you with? It has worked for me and other people I know who used it, and to note has worked years for them with no problems.

Call me a Nucklehead, I don't care........point is it worked for me and spent less than you and improved my all around sound while stopping the nasty rattles I was getting. Also mine looks better than yours.................you old fart@!

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

You are the same age as me? Well shit, then act it! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif But to note I also checked your profile and all I got was that you are "god" and you "create."
What do you want me to dazzle you with? It has worked for me and other people I know who used it, and to note has worked years for them with no problems.

Call me a Nucklehead, I don't care........point is it worked for me and spent less than you and improved my all around sound while stopping the nasty rattles I was getting. Also mine looks better than yours.................you old fart@!

But you have no way to prove your method/material chosen will perform better than his butyl based preferred material (depending on the application). Fox DOES have a way to prove his stance in this argument however. The science is on his side.
Nobody is claiming your deadening job didn't work, only that it could have and would have worked better had you applied a butyl based mat. Again as I said before, its hard too say if the difference would have even been noticeable to the ***** human senses or not, but the science behind these materials clearly shows the butyl based product is superior, in many ways. If you want to only talk about the adhesion aspect, that's fine. But there are other factors involved, factors you cannot deny tip in the favor of the butyl products.

Glad you guys seem to be engaging in a rational discussion again. Cheers.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

But you have no way to prove your method/material chosen will perform better than his butyl based preferred material (depending on the application). Fox DOES have a way to prove his stance in this argument however. The science is on his side.
Nobody is claiming your deadening job didn't work, only that it could have and would have worked better had you applied a butyl based mat. Again as I said before, its hard too say if the difference would have even been noticeable to the ***** human senses or not, but the science behind these materials clearly shows the butyl based product is superior, in many ways. If you want to only talk about the adhesion aspect, that's fine. But there are other factors involved, factors you cannot deny tip in the favor of the butyl products.

Glad you guys seem to be engaging in a rational discussion again. Cheers.

I have stated many times that in real world testing as I have both products in fatmat and Second Skin damplifier in my trunk. I even posted pics of both products in my car. Scroll up and check it out.

Also my biggest vibration, flex, rattle........whatever you want to call it I used the fatmat on because I ran out of the SS product and so I slapped that on there going against the grain from what a select few from here said don't go verticle with the fatmat. Well I did and not only is it sticking perfectly fine, but it stopped my biggest rattle and don't even flex anymore. So I consider it dead, call it what you want, but it worked. (Although I have new rattles on my roof since putting in the new system, yep, I will be using more fatmat. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif)

Also the fatmat was mucho easier to install, didn't cut the shit out of my hands like the SS product did and was much cheaper. Only did the SS because of the hype it got up around here and don't get me wrong, it is doing it's job as well, but not enough for me to go out and spend another 100 some dollars on 40sqft. I will spend the 50 bucks for 100sqft and call it a day.

Also I have compared both mats and yeah the damp is a little thicker, but not by much. Only thing I can honestly say that is better is that it does seem a little sticker and it don't have any smell. And to note, I never claimed fatmat "not" to be asphalt. If it is, it is. Whatever, all I know is that it is performing just as good for me as the expensive stuff.

One mans crap is another mans treasure. Take it for what it is and lets move on. Sorry, it worked for me and in time if it don't, then I will get on here and let you guys tell me "we told you so!" //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif