Oh dear sir, where to begin. It cracks me up, anytime I'm louder than someone, they ALWAYS say "see, that's too loud, I don't want that"... of course bro. And where did you think we were comparing the W7 12" to other 15" and 18" subs? LOL we are comparing the same size subs bud. The W7s are not loud as heck, and they sound "okay" while doing it. Even JL states they went for a high output woofer while trying to sound good, that means they didn't try to make a SQ woofer such as the W6. Who's going to listen to something louder than a W7 in a daily driver? Is that a serious question? The W7 is no where near the loudest sub out there, NOT EVEN CLOSE. And oh, now it's the hearing loss, great great great, since you can't be loud, you're just talking like every other nagger that says "I don't want something that loud".. And your W6 off of 250 watts, you're not loud, and you probably don't know how to make it sound good either.You guys are full of it. I run a 13w6 ported and it's SQ is amazing and this sub is loud enough off only 250 watts. You're comparing subs that are like 15"-21" to the 12w7??? Of course they will be louder! It's greater displacement. Compare them to 2 12w7's and I think it's a better comparison. Fact, JL makes great SQ subs. Fact, the w7's are loud as heck and sound amazing doing it. We JL people are not all about cheap bass that just gets loud, we actually have discerning tastes and enjoy some good SQ without blowing our ears out. Who's going to listen to something louder than a 12w7 in a daily driver anyway? Enjoy your hearing loss. I'll take a high quality SQ sub that I can listen to on a daily basis before a freakin 18" sub that takes up all my trunk space and causes hearing loss. I have great sounding bass with plenty of loudness, plus I can still use my trunk and all off 250 watts. I'm in socal; I don't care if someone pulls up with a louder system. I'm more concerned with how it sounds on the inside of the car. And the guy who said JL belongs in the same category as explode, BS. You don't know what you're talking about. Peace
Oh dear sir, where to begin. It cracks me up, anytime I'm louder than someone, they ALWAYS say "see, that's too loud, I don't want that"... of course bro. And where did you think we were comparing the W7 12" to other 15" and 18" subs? LOL we are comparing the same size subs bud. The W7s are not loud as heck, and they sound "okay" while doing it. Even JL states they went for a high output woofer while trying to sound good, that means they didn't try to make a SQ woofer such as the W6. Who's going to listen to something louder than a W7 in a daily driver? Is that a serious question? The W7 is no where near the loudest sub out there, NOT EVEN CLOSE. And oh, now it's the hearing loss, great great great, since you can't be loud, you're just talking like every other nagger that says "I don't want something that loud".. And your W6 off of 250 watts, you're not loud, and you probably don't know how to make it sound good either.
Edit* And if you're going to say it sounds good while getting loud, DC XL, Lvl 5, Fi BL, BTL, SSA Xcon, Zcon, IA DP, Warden, some off the top of my head WILL get louder, and WILL sound just is good, if not better.
So, it's not good bass unless it's louder than a W7? There is a difference between a loud setup (what 140db+) and a good sounding one. I like good sq subs. I don't need people to hear me a mile away. Loud is subjective. WHen my bass pounds my car sounds like it's going to explode. WHy can't that be loud enough for me? I don't need a setup that is louder than anyone. I don't get my kicks off out-louding people. I like listening to my music the way it was meant to be heard ina studio. That's the setup I'm gearing for in my car. I will honestly not go more than 750 watts on my sub. It must be all the teenagers in here that need people to hear them a mile away. I'm a grown man and I don't get my kicks from showing off. And how do I not know how to make it sound good? The sub and amp was my very first and I'm still building up my setup. Search my threads and you'll see the type of comps I'm looking at buying (i.e. DLS, Hybrid, Boston Acoustics). All better then your Type X refs and Type R 6x9's. I can run my 13w6 off a jl 1000 watt slash amp and I'm sure it will sound just as good if not better than any of those subs you mentioned. It doesn't need to be louder, just sound good. Thank you, have a nice day.depends on if you want spl subs etc
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If you want SQ you should've bought a Critical Mass subwoofer. They'll shit on JL in the SQ department.So, it's not good bass unless it's louder than a W7? There is a difference between a loud setup (what 140db+) and a good sounding one. I like good sq subs. I don't need people to hear me a mile away. Loud is subjective. WHen my bass pounds my car sounds like it's going to explode. WHy can't that be loud enough for me? I don't need a setup that is louder than anyone. I don't get my kicks off out-louding people. I like listening to my music the way it was meant to be heard ina studio. That's the setup I'm gearing for in my car. I will honestly not go more than 750 watts on my sub. It must be all the teenagers in here that need people to hear them a mile away. I'm a grown man and I don't get my kicks from showing off. And how do I not know how to make it sound good? The sub and amp was my very first and I'm still building up my setup. Search my threads and you'll see the type of comps I'm looking at buying (i.e. DLS, Hybrid, Boston Acoustics). All better then your Type X refs and Type R 6x9's. I can run my 13w6 off a jl 1000 watt slash amp and I'm sure it will sound just as good if not better than any of those subs you mentioned. It doesn't need to be louder, just sound good. Thank you, have a nice day.
You're acting like loud systems can't sound good?!!? Have you ever heard of the 05 and 06 Re XXX. It is THE BEST sub for smashing the lows, sounding good, and getting louder than crap. I sat in Ngsm's truck with 2 15" '05 XXXs and not only was it very loud, it will sound better than your W6 all day. Hahah, I even sat in a SUV with 4 Nightshade 18s, it hit a 156db, and it sounded great, better than a W7 will. Loud is not subjective at all sir, SQ is. Loud is loud, we have meters to show that... SQ is really subjective, we don't have a meter that says "Hey, that sounds good!" I don't show off my subs either, I compete, thats why I want to get loud, and I can guarantee you that my BTLs sound better than your W6. 750 watts? Uhm, Fi's new N1 is a designated SQ woofer, its rated at 1000rms, soo.... And lol trying to rag on my comps, if I was going for SQ, I would've bought high end Rainbow comps or DLS myself. Shame your forgot to mention my headunit and amp with my speakers. A true SQ guru could make Type S comps sound better than your "upcoming" comps, you're just a rookie.So, it's not good bass unless it's louder than a W7? There is a difference between a loud setup (what 140db+) and a good sounding one. I like good sq subs. I don't need people to hear me a mile away. Loud is subjective. WHen my bass pounds my car sounds like it's going to explode. WHy can't that be loud enough for me? I don't need a setup that is louder than anyone. I don't get my kicks off out-louding people. I like listening to my music the way it was meant to be heard ina studio. That's the setup I'm gearing for in my car. I will honestly not go more than 750 watts on my sub. It must be all the teenagers in here that need people to hear them a mile away. I'm a grown man and I don't get my kicks from showing off. And how do I not know how to make it sound good? The sub and amp was my very first and I'm still building up my setup. Search my threads and you'll see the type of comps I'm looking at buying (i.e. DLS, Hybrid, Boston Acoustics). All better then your Type X refs and Type R 6x9's. I can run my 13w6 off a jl 1000 watt slash amp and I'm sure it will sound just as good if not better than any of those subs you mentioned. It doesn't need to be louder, just sound good. Thank you, have a nice day.
UL12, lms ultra... could go on all day...
had a douche bring me 6 12W7 and 6 1000/1 amps to install and he didnt belive me that 4 DD35's would be louder and sound better... after the install the owner of "Dragon Customs", the custom carmod shop we did the install at proved it to him lol
he spent over 10k on his JL badness...
lulzI would be in none of the above. I know for a fact that JL makes an OK woofer, however i dont give 2 shits for it because it is over rated. And if you had to listen to all the hype running around this town bout them fawkin JL's, you would understand. I usually dont smack talk the bastards. I just show em what a DD9515 will do and they laugh....But they go home cryin to their moms. I am a loner and no one in this town has anything close to DD. There is some mojo's, 13w7, T2's, L7's.....I mean cmon....We just got a guy here in town that is gonna start sellin Treo's. So once again, I hence that JL belongs in a class for Gay Subwoofers
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