Help with box tuning


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So.. I'd ended choosing 35hz as my tune. so i don't sacrifice too much my rebassed/slowed an it can be decent with normal music too. Hopefully..
It should be relatively easy to add some inserts to the port to lower tuning if you feel it will help after you get this all together and start testing.

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I bet you still can't name 5 songs that aren't re-mixed or slowed down where one would need to play below 30hz.

That said, I did just model OP's subs and they should play flat-ish tuned in the mid to high 20s but there's a lot of output to be gained in the 40-50hz range (where actual music happens) for tuning up into the mid 30s AND port tuned to 25hz with adequate area to hang with his potential displacement is going to be enormous.

Really it looks like they're designed to shoehorn into a very small box and just throw a shitload of power into them to try to play flat-ish. I'd still use a large box and take a peak where most of my music will want for the sake of efficiency.

I would still tune those no lower than 32hz for myself and keep them in 5-6 cubic feet per sub.
I have songs that naturally play in the 20's. I don't have that music on this PC, it's on my old laptop, because I don't have a stereo in my car or drive much, so I don't have it off hand. I had all my songs in a bass list back in the day, I had sometimes a special list for 20's and 30's songs. There's a lot of rap producers that will slip 20 hz notes in songs and a lot of people have no idea they are there because they hit the HPF/subsonic crossovers.

Don't let your music tastes determine tuning for others. Most bass happens in the 40's and 50's if you're old lol. Jk, that's kind of what it feels like. I listen to a ton of electronic music that has a ton of 30's in it. I have rap songs from the early 2000's with bass sweeps that go down to 14 hz lol, I know that because I used to run songs through audacity for non-clipped bass songs for demoing for hours. I used to also slow my own songs. Idk if you think I'm an idiot or lying, but I literally have looked at waveforms of songs to see if the bass is clipped. I know exactly what frequencies people play and what songs are what, brah.

There's nothing wrong with re-mixed music, slowed music, whatever. None of what you said isn't a good reason not to tune low. People need to tune based around what they do.

Audio just isn't about playing music man, it's about having fun. Sometimes experimenting with the 20's is super fun to people. I have competitors that I design for that do 158's in the 20's dude. For competition. Idk if you're out of the loop, but that's a way to compete now in some places is to play super low on music and that's part of the score factoring. And it's f*cking awesome and super challenging to do well and that's exactly why we try to do it.
 

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So.. I'd ended choosing 35hz as my tune. so i don't sacrifice too much my rebassed/slowed an it can be decent with normal music too. Hopefully..
You should still be able to play down to at least 30 hz or so strongly, depends on how your port is oriented in the vehicle. 35 hz typically has quite a bit stronger peak than 32 hz, so it'll be loud. If your subs are really good and the box is as a part of the vehicle, then you might be able to get down into the 20's some bit, just depends on a lot of factors.

If you want the best chance of playing away from tuning frequency and doing it well, get an amp with a high dampening factor.
 

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I know exactly what frequencies people play and what songs are what,
And you still have yet to drop a few song titles.
that's a way to compete now in some places is to play super low on music and that's part of the score factoring
I have heard that is a thing. It's nice that people who prefer music played at half speed have something to do with that.
 

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And you still have yet to drop a few song titles.

I have heard that is a thing. It's nice that people who prefer music played at half speed have something to do with that.
Haha I'd rather design that run through 1100 songs in my files to prove something that I don't care if you like or not. If you don't like it, that's fine. If you want me to design you a box, I'll tune 35, 40, wherever, if that's what makes you happy. It doesn't matter what songs do or don't have low bass; all that matters is what people want to hear out of their system, and I try my best to provide that for them.
 

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Ok guys, i have to say thank you all for your precious information, for a newbie like me is gold. But, you have not aswered at my real question at all. What frequency is the most "feeleable" outside of the car? This post is not about making the perfect box for music listening inside the car or hair trick, i need to know what frequency you feel on your clotes and your skin 3 or 4 steps away from the car so i can tune the box at that HZ to boost it even more. i play music open door with 8 10 inch midbass and 4 horn drivers. Thank you
 

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Tech n9ne- T9x. The end of the song has a bass sweep that goes well below 30hz. Snoop dog has a song that has a super low bass hit that happens every 4th measure, but you won’t hear it at all if your box is tuned high. Not that this matters, as I don’t tune boxes around specific songs, not to mention I listen to mostly heavy metal, but there are plenty of rap songs that have bass that you never hear on some sound systems. Ghetto boys had a song also that had bass that wasn’t really audible, but it sure shook the car in silence. I don’t think it’s a normal thing, but some music does dip that low.
 

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What frequency is the most "feeleable" outside of the car?
All of them once you get proper loud. Why not pick some type of music you would like to play and play loud and build around that?
Ghetto boys had a song also that had bass that wasn’t really audible, but it sure shook the car in silence.
I'm pretty sure I own every album they ever released along with every solo project of members and I can play all of that with @40hz tuning. I have one pop song in my entire music collection that gives me trouble if I play it doors open or windows down at full power. It's a pretty gay song so I'm not going to name it. There is no subsonic filter on my amp.
 

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I'm pretty sure I own every album they ever released along with every solo project of members and I can play all of that with @40hz tuning. I have one pop song in my entire music collection that gives me trouble if I play it doors open or windows down at full power. It's a pretty gay song so I'm not going to name it. There is no subsonic filter on my amp.
You seem to have a vendetta against low bass, like you're gonna convince people to not tune low. There's plenty of people who like to play in the 20's man. Tons of people I design for like to. It's fun, that's why. Idk what our age difference is, but Ghetto Boys is old as f*ck and isn't a relevant comparison for today's music. Electronic music is a whole different field than rap. The bass is just way different. You're a borderline hater of other people's tuning liking. I mean, you do you, let other people do themselves. Idk why tuning low is bad, if that's what people know they want. Music is a feeling, people shouldn't have to justify why they want their box made to play a certain way. It's their ears to listen to their box, not yours or mine. Your argument there is valid, as far as playing notes, but people listen to all different types of music. 40 hz is probably peaky as f, depends on the vehicle and how everything is set up. Just because you can maybe play 30 or however low with a 40 hz tuning, doesn't mean that it plays 30 hz like people want 30 hz to sound. But that's ok if you like your system tuned high, and it's ok if other people like their systems tuned low.

I have walls I do tuned to 23-24 hz, and it's amazing and fun to do something like that. If you think there's something wrong with that, then you don't understand the beauty of music. The point is, there are no rules. Your imagination or mine or whoever's mind is the only limiter, when it comes to audio.
 

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You can't tell me a 30,000 watt series 6th order playing in the 10's and 20's like an earthquake isn't cool. It's a totally different experience than say even 35 hz. It just feels way different, so it can be very fun and mesmerizing, or almost trance like. That's what it's all about man.
 

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You seem to have a vendetta against low bass, like you're gonna convince people to not tune low.
The big issue is that if you played a song for somebody 19 out of 20 people couldn't tell you what tone they were listening to was what frequency. I believe I gave the caveat that if OP wants to listen to bass test tracks or 50% speed music he might plan to tune in the 20s if not, there it is.

It's concerning that you can't even just rattle off some songs or artists that use that sort of material though. You would make a much better case saying "if you like listening to ____ or ____ you might want to consider tuning super low because they use a lot of 30hz and under tones".

Apart from those remixes that are just a regular song with test tones dubbed in and 50% speed stuff I don't see the guys with 20hz builds playing anything else or it sounds like *** if they try. And while I can get by with Bass Mechanic type techno or whatever you call it these days I do think that all of that slowed stuff is just super obnoxious. Cool for perhaps 30 seconds but after a full minute I want to **** off my .357 magnum.
 

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You can't tell me a 30,000 watt series 6th order playing in the 10's and 20's like an earthquake isn't cool. It's a totally different experience than say even 35 hz. It just feels way different, so it can be very fun and mesmerizing, or almost trance like. That's what it's all about man.
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The big issue is that if you played a song for somebody 19 out of 20 people couldn't tell you what tone they were listening to was what frequency. I believe I gave the caveat that if OP wants to listen to bass test tracks or 50% speed music he might plan to tune in the 20s if not, there it is.

It's concerning that you can't even just rattle off some songs or artists that use that sort of material though. You would make a much better case saying "if you like listening to ____ or ____ you might want to consider tuning super low because they use a lot of 30hz and under tones".

Apart from those remixes that are just a regular song with test tones dubbed in and 50% speed stuff I don't see the guys with 20hz builds playing anything else or it sounds like *** if they try. And while I can get by with Bass Mechanic type techno or whatever you call it these days I do think that all of that slowed stuff is just super obnoxious. Cool for perhaps 30 seconds but after a full minute I want to **** off my .357 magnum.
I'm ended tuning my box to 35. It plays rebassed, it plays normal music, it plays everything from 28 to 60, so i'm pretty happy. thank you all and please don't be angry each other, we are all friends with the same love for car audio
 
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I'm ended tuning my box to 35. It plays rebassed, it plays normal music, it plays everything from 28 to 60, so i'm pretty happy. thank you all and please don't be angry each other, we are all friends with the same love for car audio
We’re all friends! I think at least haha. I have high respect for @hispls. He’s definitely shown me things that I didn’t know about and I’m smarter now because of his info.

Glad you’re happy with it! 35 is a pretty solid daily tuning for many people.
 

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