opinions on edead sound deadener

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

Lol at everyone.

The fatmat will be fine, but if you want to the only way you will know for sure, is to go and try it for yourself.

I have both fatmat and Damplifier in my car. Both work great. I had more fatmat, so did the rest of my car and works great!

Also fatmat is sticking as well as the SS product and I have the fatmat in more areas where I got the biggest vibration from and made it dead. Only reason I put it there was because I didn't have enough SS and wasn't thinking. No big deal as the fatmat worked fine.

I also have pic's if nobody believes me. Made a thread about it awhile ago.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

The fatmat will be fine, but if you want to the only way you will know for sure, is to go and try it for yourself.

Reminds me of a time when I was a kid and my friend tried to fix the brakes on my bike. "They'll be fine." Went to try it myself and ended up *** over tea kettle in the dirt because they didn't. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/mad.gif.c18f003ab0ef8a0d9c27ca78d77a6392.gif

Despite the fact that I posted a picture of V1 in all it's glory failing to stick to to my hatch floor, Rudeboy saying over and over how asphalt is NOT viscoelastic and even Anthony jumping in helping people understand the risk you take, people still INSIST on having others buy the stuff to TRY it! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

By the way, this is what happens when you question the legitimacy of their products on ED's minion suckfest: http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=55997&highlight=edead+litewrap

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

No big deal as the fatmat worked fine.

Every time I see you post that, I'm going to post this: http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340950

You know, tit for tat. Balance it out. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

I thinkyou are being unfair John..

Really.

If he did not get cancer from smoking, no body else ever will either!!

 

[ktraughb 10+ year member]

Every time I see you post that, I'm going to post this: http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340950
You know, tit for tat. Balance it out. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Wow. im glad i havent put it in yet!

 

[ktraughb 10+ year member]

even if some people are succeeding with it, these horror stories are scaring me away from it.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

Every time I see you post that, I'm going to post this: http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340950
You know, tit for tat. Balance it out. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Yep read that and tis a shame how it is not working for him. Maybe he didn't clean it right or something.

Want to know what is funny, I cleaned my pretty good, but never even used a heat gun with any of it. Came out perfectly fine and I have checked on it many a times. Not one spot has it came off.

Maybe he got a bad batch or something?

Also, yes it does have an odor, so what. It goes away.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

even if some people are succeeding with it, these horror stories are scaring me away from it.

Listen, the only way really is to see for yourself. This is what I did. I bought the fatmat first and read up on SS products and the damplifer and damp Pro. I bought into it and got 40sqft to try it. Everyone said fatmat would be ok as long as you don't go verticle. So at first I didn't did my floor first and then started using the SS on the verticle areas in the trunk. Did most my back panels and the under area of the rear deck and then ran out and was like shit, I didn't get to my side panels where I get most of my rattles. Well being I didn't want to spend more money than I wanted to, I put the fatmat verticle. Then after letting it sit for a while, I cranked my system up and to my amaze it sounded awesome! Went outside the car and noticed my side panels were not vibrating at all. Hell they used to wave at me. So I was estactic! Ended up doing my front doors and the top of the rear deck and don't have one regret doing so.

Will it bite me in the *** down the road? Maybe, maybe not. In extreme heat, it has done well. I am thinking it will do fine in the cold as well.

Going to do my rear doors this weekend in the fatmat I have left over as a matter of fact.

Honestly though, if you have the dough, get the Second skin product, or better yet, check into that Cascade stuff as I have heard nothing but great things about that, but for a cheap deadener, there is nothing wrong with fatmat...........IMO!

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

Listen, the only way really is to see for yourself. This is what I did. I bought the fatmat first and read up on SS products and the damplifer and damp Pro. I bought into it and got 40sqft to try it. Everyone said fatmat would be ok as long as you don't go verticle. So at first I didn't did my floor first and then started using the SS on the verticle areas in the trunk. Did most my back panels and the under area of the rear deck and then ran out and was like shit, I didn't get to my side panels where I get most of my rattles. Well being I didn't want to spend more money than I wanted to, I put the fatmat verticle. Then after letting it sit for a while, I cranked my system up and to my amaze it sounded awesome! Went outside the car and noticed my side panels were not vibrating at all. Hell they used to wave at me. So I was estactic! Ended up doing my front doors and the top of the rear deck and don't have one regret doing so.
Will it bite me in the *** down the road? Maybe, maybe not. In extreme heat, it has done well. I am thinking it will do fine in the cold as well.

Going to do my rear doors this weekend in the fatmat I have left over as a matter of fact.

Honestly though, if you have the dough, get the Second skin product, or better yet, check into that Cascade stuff as I have heard nothing but great things about that, but for a cheap deadener, there is nothing wrong with fatmat...........IMO!

Since you are waiting to see how it reacts to cold weather, I have to assume that you have had the FatMat installed for less than a year. Since most of the failures seem to happen during the 2nd or 3rd summer, readers of this thread need to be careful about how much credence they give your review.

The idea that proper installation technique is a factor is a red herring. Jacob from Sundown used the most meticulous procedure you can imagine involving almost compulsive cleaning, precise cutting to fit the contours of the sheet metal and aluminum tape for reinforcement. He and I went back and forth on various forums for a few years. He put it in several vehicles and maintained that while asphalt wasn't as effective as butyl, it was better than nothing and could be reliable if installed properly. After a few years, he demonstrated a tremendous amount of integrity by coming back and posting that the asphalt was failing in all of the vehicles he installed it in.

No one is claiming that asphalt isn't better than nothing as long as it lasts. Endorsing asphalt's reliability after a few months is just wrong. People need to ask themselves why FoxPro5 and I would bother to post to these threads. I know I have better things to do and I'm pretty sure he does too. We do it because we don't want to see any more people make this mistake. FoxPro5 and I are all about finding the least expensive way to get the job done. If this was a good idea, we'd be all over it. Where are those who take your advice going to be when your FatMat melts next summer?

A few more points to consider. Plenty of asphalt sellers (including FatMat and ED when they sold the original versions of eDead) claimed that their asphalt product was butyl. Know of any sellers of butyl products claiming that it's asphalt? How many posts do you see from people with years of sound deadening experience endorsing asphalt? The evidence on this topic is absolutely clear and it has nothing to do with a few people's irrational vendettas.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

Honestly though, if you have the dough, get the Second skin product, or better yet, check into that Cascade stuff as I have heard nothing but great things about that, but for a cheap deadener, there is nothing wrong with fatmat...........IMO!

And that right there folks is the fatal error in all of this: putting non-viscoelastic "deadener" in with actual, honest to God, properly engineered viscoleastic constrained layer damping products. Like I've said before, they are not the same - dispite looking similar to an ignorant person. Untill you've had some of the butylene rubber from Cascade's VMax in your fingers, you really have no idea. And it's absolutely laughable to me for one that has to compare it to asphalt. Same goes for Damplifier Pro.

I really wish I'd have taken pictures of all the shit I've had to pull out of my car over the past 5 years because I honestly felt I could get away with it. These treads make me feel like an old washed up surfer standing next to the ocean watching the new kids tackle the waves with great intentions, only to crash and burn. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 

[ktraughb 10+ year member]

well i just received the fat mat, and while im not going to put it in, the company i ordered through on ebay i have nothing but good stuff to say about. they provided tracking numbers right away, have quick communication, responded the next business day about a refund,and even said they will reimburse part of shipping. im going to look up the store, just for reference. that way there is no negativity toward them in this transaction. if its through fatmat, good for them. they have good cust service.

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

well i just received the fat mat, and while im not going to put it in, the company i ordered through on ebay i have nothing but good stuff to say about. they provided tracking numbers right away, have quick communication, responded the next business day about a refund,and even said they will reimburse part of shipping. im going to look up the store, just for reference. that way there is no negativity toward them in this transaction. if its through fatmat, good for them. they have good cust service.

Many people have reported that the new owner provides much better service than the old owners did. IMO, calling asphalt butyl sort of negates the positives.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

There's a reason so many asphalt sellers try to make us think they are actually selling butyl rubber products... because even they know asphalt is greatly inferior.

And yes, Ive installed asphalt deadeners in more cars than I care to remember. A search of old threads on this board will find me supporting the asphalt mat from McMaster Carr. But even an asphalt supporter from the old days like me recognizes the superior charateristics of the butyl mats. Use our experience. As said above, none of us have any reason to support a more expensive option, if a cheaper one would suffice. I use to support that cheaper option, I know better now.

 

[ktraughb 10+ year member]

the ebay store is noise-killers. like i said, at least they provide a great customer service.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

Since you are waiting to see how it reacts to cold weather, I have to assume that you have had the FatMat installed for less than a year. Since most of the failures seem to happen during the 2nd or 3rd summer, readers of this thread need to be careful about how much credence they give your review.
The idea that proper installation technique is a factor is a red herring. Jacob from Sundown used the most meticulous procedure you can imagine involving almost compulsive cleaning, precise cutting to fit the contours of the sheet metal and aluminum tape for reinforcement. He and I went back and forth on various forums for a few years. He put it in several vehicles and maintained that while asphalt wasn't as effective as butyl, it was better than nothing and could be reliable if installed properly. After a few years, he demonstrated a tremendous amount of integrity by coming back and posting that the asphalt was failing in all of the vehicles he installed it in.

No one is claiming that asphalt isn't better than nothing as long as it lasts. Endorsing asphalt's reliability after a few months is just wrong. People need to ask themselves why FoxPro5 and I would bother to post to these threads. I know I have better things to do and I'm pretty sure he does too. We do it because we don't want to see any more people make this mistake. FoxPro5 and I are all about finding the least expensive way to get the job done. If this was a good idea, we'd be all over it. Where are those who take your advice going to be when your FatMat melts next summer?

A few more points to consider. Plenty of asphalt sellers (including FatMat and ED when they sold the original versions of eDead) claimed that their asphalt product was butyl. Know of any sellers of butyl products claiming that it's asphalt? How many posts do you see from people with years of sound deadening experience endorsing asphalt? The evidence on this topic is absolutely clear and it has nothing to do with a few people's irrational vendettas.

I believe you have a lot of knowledge in deadening, but honestly you sound like a broken record to me anymore. I am not sticking up for Edead, as I have never used the product and in reality is more expensive and I have seen people have a lot of failure with that in actual pics. I have yet to see that with the Fatmat besides one guy who recently did a review that Foxpro put up saying he was having problems with no actual pics. Or if there was, they were not working on my work computer. I have seen a few people besides you say it sucks, but is whatever to me really. I have personally used many sound deadeners from expensive hushmat, dynamat,Second sking and had the hushmat in my cutlass for a couple years. I spent like 500 dollars sound deadening that car and was a good 4 years ago now. I also personally know people that have used fatmat and P&S and have had it in their cars fro years now. That was what ended up ultimatley swaying me. Have one guy who spent about 150 bucks in fatmat and does the trick and been in there for 2 winters now and 3 summers. Rather it was the old stuff is beyoned me.

Point is I am not new to the deadening scene although I may not have the experience you do or test products side to side, but I have been through many of them and honestly never had a bad thing to say about any of them thus far.

Maybe it is a luck thing, getting a bad batch, or just not cleaning/prepping right. I know you said Jacob did, but I can't speak for him and he is knowledgable enough, but in my expierence I have not had any bad luck with any deadener, so when I see a cheap product hold up, then I feel no need to spend more money than needed. Yeah, I had to double, triple up-whatever, but is working and spent much less money on it.

And that right there folks is the fatal error in all of this: putting non-viscoelastic "deadener" in with actual, honest to God, properly engineered viscoleastic constrained layer damping products. Like I've said before, they are not the same - dispite looking similar to an ignorant person. Untill you've had some of the butylene rubber from Cascade's VMax in your fingers, you really have no idea. And it's absolutely laughable to me for one that has to compare it to asphalt. Same goes for Damplifier Pro.
I really wish I'd have taken pictures of all the shit I've had to pull out of my car over the past 5 years because I honestly felt I could get away with it. These treads make me feel like an old washed up surfer standing next to the ocean watching the new kids tackle the waves with great intentions, only to crash and burn. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

Say what you will, but I am not a kid. 31 years old with plenty of audio/deadening expierence. Nice analogy though. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif Maybe if you are luck enough, since you care so much, I could stand on the beach next to you being you learned the hardway as well...............I guess. Maybe you guys just can't install it right to have it fail on you? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif