opinions on edead sound deadener

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

Here's the problem. Nobody i saying that it isn't better than nothing. What we are saying is that in addition to being much less effective than the butyl alternatives, the potential for failure is extremely high. You don't believe it because it hasn't failed for you. I have seen numerous examples of failure and have had hundreds of failures reported to me. Your one case of short term use does not prove anything. Anecdotes about 3rd or 4th hand experiences of longer term success do not really prove anything either. You should feel free to do what you want and that includes accepting substandard performance and personal risk. You should not feel free to suggest to others that the course you have chosen is reliable and safe. I hope people understand the difference.
Where will you be if your FatMat fails. What will you say to the people you encouraged to follow suit? Why would you encourage people to spend more for FatMat when they can buy the same thing at Lowe's for less? You talk about us being broken records, but every time this topic comes up you try to have the last word with your - I used FatMat and it has held up fine. Then we have to squeeze the fact that it has only held up for a few months so far. I find it hard to believe that anybody would be so anxious to promote an overpriced product that will almost certainly cause a lot of heartache to others without being compensated in some way - or does misery just love company?

Let this be done. I will not post in anymore deadening threads with trying to cut down costs because it has worked in my install, yet I have istalled plenty of expensive deadeners, mats, fawking p&s or whatever you guys want to call it. Not going to change my mind, that is for sure.

Actually, I think you need to chill the fawk out. Your emotional attachment to your peal n seal is clouting your judgment. Must have been the Fatmat VOC's. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif
I put peanut butter {mass} and bubble gum {elastic} all over my car and my soundstage improved....a lot! You're clearly not understanding my ridiculous analogies...or Ant's.

Trust me, I've use peal n seal in ways you probably haven't even considered. I have some on my heat shield on the bottom of my car...right next to the exhaust pipe and it hasn't moved in 4 years. Lucky me. And yes, I USED to actually think it was a butyl alternative...like many here have admitted. Then I pulled my head out of my fourth point of contact and studied up a bit on materials science.

I am actually pretty chill right now. Actually down right frezzing as the A/C is way below norm at work right now, thanks for caring sugar-plum.

I understand, and Im glad its worked out for you. But the point is, had you used a butyl based mat, it would have worked better. Is the difference quantifiable? No, we cant expect you to tear off your aspahlt mat and replace it with butyl, to let us know the change. But when you factor in there WILL be a performance ioncrease with butyl mat, plus the lack of concern for heat exposure/failure, lack of concern for smell, etc etc... changing over to butyl based products is really a no-brainer to me.

Least you don't have to come down to name-calling. I used to think Fox was cool, but of course he folds down to the lower IQ of ca.com in trying to explain himself. Must be a bitter old man.

I understand your points and I am not downing the SS products or any other products, but I will stand up for what has worked for me. Like I said, it has done as well as other mats I have used from othe the years.

You guys like butyl, which I do too, but asphalt besides the smell isn't on my bad list right now. Sorry you guys don't get that.

PS.............I love you all!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

Least you don't have to come down to name-calling. I used to think Fox was cool, but of course he folds down to the lower IQ of ca.com in trying to explain himself. Must be a bitter old man.

I am, you got me. It's because I once did this....

...which was a good learning experience because I did not understand. Now, I'm old, crusty, jaded...but wise®....sometimes. I also understand where and how I went wrong and corrected it by doing this....

Anyone care to guess what's trying to "deaden" in the first picture? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif And yes, it had to be torn up and it was a MAJOR pain in the ***.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

Here is mine. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I have since done the doors in fatmat and top of rear deck.

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=306811

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

And my protege pwned yours.

Being it looks like you had a protege.

 

[ktraughb 10+ year member]

ok back to a serious question and not a pissing contest. we didnt talk a whole lot about Raamat. How well does it stack up in comparison to these other products? It actually has a pretty good price range on its products as far as the Raamat BXT. Is it a true butyl rubber product? and how thick is its aluminum contraint layer? i know he says its a lightweight, but is it still efficient in its purpose?

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

ok back to a serious question and not a pissing contest. we didnt talk a whole lot about Raamat. How well does it stack up in comparison to these other products? It actually has a pretty good price range on its products as far as the Raamat BXT. Is it a true butyl rubber product? and how thick is its aluminum contraint layer? i know he says its a lightweight, but is it still efficient in its purpose?

The SDS tells all. sounddeadenershowdown.com

I personally think it's an ok value and does qualify as a CLD product, but without objective testing how can anyone prove that it's "efficient in it's purpose." ??

Consider what it takes in terms of cost and engineering for these class of products. There's a reason why some cost more than others. Having used my fair share, I really believe you get what you pay for.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

And I only posted pics to show what edead v1 (the original edead product sold, which was peal n seal) looked like after 5 years in an actual install. It's not a pissing contest, it's a learning experience for anyone that cares to read this thread.

 

[ktraughb 10+ year member]

i was referring to the other pics as the contest since he actually said his owned. so is raamat as safe for exposure as is dynamat extreme and second skin?

 

[ktraughb 10+ year member]

im curious on the Raamat because it says on the showdown link that is butyl based with an asphalt layer as well. is it still or is that an old version?

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

i was referring to the other pics as the contest since he actually said his owned. so is raamat as safe for exposure as is dynamat extreme and second skin?

I wouldn't put it on the same level as DE or Damplifier Pro. The integrity of the butyl layer is less and the foil is at least 1/2 the thickness.

To determine safety, you need to reference the MSDS on RAAMmat, if there is one.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

im curious on the Raamat because it says on the showdown link that is butyl based with an asphalt layer as well. is it still or is that an old version?

You, me and many many others. AFAIK, the product has undergone a few revisions. It seems to be inconsistent to say the least with one version being sold as "extra gooey." Rudeboy knows a thing or two on the specifics.

I feel for the owner as he really does a great job promoting the practice of treating cars and he seems very passionate for helping others. But, that's besides the point, I guess.

 

[ktraughb 10+ year member]

yeah i may email the owner himself to see what is truly contained in the newer versions of the BXT. even the patial asphalt version did fairly well on the tests, but it would still be nice to have all butyl layer.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

Fox, those pics you put up don't justify something not working. Looks like you were trying to peel it off and even said you had a hell of time doing so. So if it was falling off, then why was it so hard to take off?

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

Fox, those pics you put up don't justify something not working. Looks like you were trying to peel it off and even said you had a hell of time doing so. So if it was falling off, then why was it so hard to take off?

Some peeled back on the edges. Some did not stick at all in some spots. Some stuck like a mofo. Edead still remains in some spots in my car other than what's pictured and looks even worse. That's a very flattering picture for the product, actually.

When this happens you're left with a couple options:

1) Cut out the spots that don't stick. This leaves the spots that do stick. What if those fail over time?

2) Completely cover the whole area with something better. What if the stuff underneath fails later down the road? You've now wasted two deadeners and a lot of time.

3) Remove it all and start over. As i mentioned, asphalt is not pretty coming back up. It's really a bad experience...blood, bruises and a bad back.

For the 100th time, asphalt is not deadener, it's not predictable and it's not dependable. Using it as a "deadener" is not wise.

 

[ktraughb 10+ year member]

i talked to rick from raamat, he said that the current formula of raamat bxt contains no asphalt at all. he said that the previous formula did contain a high quality layer of asphalt, and it actually made for an easier install. he said they wish it was still there but it is in a war shortage. however, i like the idea that the new version contains no asphalt, even it was just a filler layer.

also eDead has responded with the same, that none of their deadener products contain any asphalt anymore.