My install's coming along nicely

[ChaseinBass]

lol I was going to say why would you listen ? If it makes it easier do it if not oh well . Sometimes you have to try different things , not everything works for everyone every time!

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[JohnKuthe]

Wow what a waste of the last couple hours reading through 56 pages of John kuthes b.s.. Lol. I had to make an account after I stumbled across this little gem of a thread. John u are truly a piece of work. There isn't much more I can say that hasn't been said already but I will give it a try.
For 1. u said u had a kid, I highly doubt that bc that would involve a women and I highly doubt u even swing that way. I don't have any proof on this but from u saying ur favorite colors are pink and purple, u drive a minivan, call it "baby 2", being a nurse and from ur super gay looking kayak photos I think the evidence would be enough for beyond a responsible doubt conviction. lol

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Reeling 'em in here, Boss! ;-)

I love rousing the homophobia in homophobes!! I'd explain all the things you said, but I doubt if you could understand!

John Kuthe...

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

wtf?

That's john's logic.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Not that I'm in any way defending the product selection or placement of the Almighty Kuthe…but you've mentioned 6x9's being an issue in other threads and how poor of a choice that is…please explain this further.
I have stated in response that a 6x9 as a dedicated mid bass (running about 60hz-400hz) is actually a GOOD choice if you already have the factory opening for it. A 6x9 has roughly the same surface area as an 8 but it has the convenience of being a drop-in installation.

So what's wrong with a 6x9 mid bass?

Also one of the very best sounding systems I've ever installed/owned was a set of PG Titanium Elite 5's and tweets (Morel Elate's) in the DASH firing off the window…mid bass was a set of 9inch Morel Elates in the doors…sounded out-fvckin-standing.

Firing off the windshield can yield great results.

The shape of the cone aloows all kind breakup and resonance issues.

Refraction is terrible for midrange. Not only does its destroy natural dispuration patterens it reinforces the mindrange unnaturally and makes it harsh. It also can cause some nasty phase and cancallation issues

 

[NSTALN 10+ year member]

The shape of the cone aloows all kind breakup and resonance issues.
Refraction is terrible for midrange. Not only does its destroy natural dispuration patterens it reinforces the mindrange unnaturally and makes it harsh. It also can cause some nasty phase and cancallation issues

Will these issues be apparent in such a limited bandwidth of a mid bass? As a dedicated midrange a 6x9 wouldn't be my first choice but for a little extra 'umph' in the mid bass region it seems the extra cone area really helps. In my case my sub will be a 15 and crossed pretty low…I've found large mid bass drivers tend to blend better with larger size subs (generally speaking). Most of the info I find on odd-shaped speakers (non-round) seems to point to beaming issues being the 'bad' thing to be weary of…but most of that occurs at higher freq's than the standard(ish) mid bass range, I run mine 71hz @24db-315@24db.

I've been an installer or hobbyist for about 2 decades now but have only really started trying to get more into the technical/measurement side of things.

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

Will these issues be apparent in such a limited bandwidth of a mid bass? As a dedicated midrange a 6x9 wouldn't be my first choice but for a little extra 'umph' in the mid bass region it seems the extra cone area really helps. In my case my sub will be a 15 and crossed pretty low…I've found large mid bass drivers tend to blend better with larger size subs (generally speaking). Most of the info I find on odd-shaped speakers (non-round) seems to point to beaming issues being the 'bad' thing to be weary of…but most of that occurs at higher freq's than the standard(ish) mid bass range, I run mine 71hz @24db-315@24db.
I've been an installer or hobbyist for about 2 decades now but have only really started trying to get more into the technical/measurement side of things.

That mong hasn't ever said anything remotely sensible in this forum, and he appears to be borderline illiterate. Take my advice and put him on your ignore list.

That said, these seem to have good reviews Tang Band W69-1042J 6"x9" Subwoofer

I'd guess that the largest issue with 6X9 is that no "high end" ones exist.

 

[NSTALN 10+ year member]

That mong hasn't ever said anything remotely sensible in this forum, and he appears to be borderline illiterate. Take my advice and put him on your ignore list.
That said, these seem to have good reviews Tang Band W69-1042J 6"x9" Subwoofer

I'd guess that the largest issue with 6X9 is that no "high end" ones exist.

Howdy fellow New-Englander…

The ID-xs69 seems pretty nice…I would love to get my mitts on the new Infinity Kappa Perfect 6x9 just for grinz.

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

Howdy fellow New-Englander…
The ID-xs69 seems pretty nice…I would love to get my mitts on the new Infinity Kappa Perfect 6x9 just for grinz.

I've always been very happy with JBL/Harman/Infinity products.

How come you never attend any of the shows in the region?

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Will these issues be apparent in such a limited bandwidth of a mid bass? As a dedicated midrange a 6x9 wouldn't be my first choice but for a little extra 'umph' in the mid bass region it seems the extra cone area really helps. In my case my sub will be a 15 and crossed pretty low…I've found large mid bass drivers tend to blend better with larger size subs (generally speaking). Most of the info I find on odd-shaped speakers (non-round) seems to point to beaming issues being the 'bad' thing to be weary of…but most of that occurs at higher freq's than the standard(ish) mid bass range, I run mine 71hz @24db-315@24db.
I've been an installer or hobbyist for about 2 decades now but have only really started trying to get more into the technical/measurement side of things.

cone breakup - diyAudio

when the diaphragm has unequal pressure over it it causes breakup faster. For round drivers its at the very outer edge. The naturaly shape of a linear convex cone is much stronger than say non linear or a flat piston.. its shape helps redistribute pressusre over a wider area. think about the SUPERDOME(who dat!) of any of the dome buildings that don't need bracing over huge spans in the roof. the 6x9s do share some of these properties but a non linear convex cone will always have uneven surface tension..

the limited bandwidth wont necessarily determine it being more ideal or "out of" the resonance. as you know higher mass and higher surface area usually equals a lower resonance. its a matter of testing the driver honestly..

A in its inherently weaker points. which are the edges. although even driver will have some flexing in the diaphragm the 6x9s shape causes even pressure across the diapharm

 

[NSTALN 10+ year member]

cone breakup - diyAudio
when the diaphragm has unequal pressure over it it causes breakup faster. For round drivers its at the very outer edge. The naturaly shape of a linear convex cone is much stronger than say non linear or a flat piston.. its shape helps redistribute pressusre over a wider area. think about the SUPERDOME(who dat!) of any of the dome buildings that don't need bracing over huge spans in the roof. the 6x9s do share some of these properties but a non linear convex cone will always have uneven surface tension..

the limited bandwidth wont necessarily determine it being more ideal or "out of" the resonance. as you know higher mass and higher surface area usually equals a lower resonance. its a matter of testing the driver honestly..

A in its inherently weaker points. which are the edges. although even driver will have some flexing in the diaphragm the 6x9s shape causes even pressure across the diapharm

Can't the un-even/dispersed break-up nodes of an oval cone yield better results than a round cone where a single break-up node would be more defined? Smaller multiple nodes resulting in smaller additional order distortion dips and peaks?

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

reflection destroys natural dispersion patterns. cones are Shaped specifically to have a dispersion patterns to give sound dimension and depth to help the driver reproduce the actualy phase differences between the instruments. IE piano is usually to the left drums back center etc etc.. the reflection destroys these phase differences . techinall re flection and deflection are similar

diffraction breaks up the dispersed waves and chances phase angle be redirecting it around an object.

refraction is when soundwaves pass through or along different mediums/surfaces it chances the speed and waveform of the emissions. all materials have resonance and when say for example the windshield resonates from a signal it amplifies the signal but not only the signal is coming from the speaker but the ACTUAL windshield is emitting its own signal..

that's simply put if you wanna know abit more here is a link..

Reflection, Refraction, and Diffraction

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Can't the un-even/dispersed break-up nodes of an oval cone yield better results than a round cone where a single break-up node would be more defined? Smaller multiple nodes resulting in smaller additional order distortion dips and peaks?

honestly that would be something i never tested but having mulpital breakup nodes are only going to color the signal more so over a wider bandwidth I would image.

 

[NSTALN 10+ year member]

I've always been very happy with JBL/Harman/Infinity products.
How come you never attend any of the shows in the region?

Time and money sir…If I have one I don't seem to have the other…I'll be getting more locally active though…I really miss the car audio 'scene'. I wanted to attend the latest meet but I had family obligations that day. I would really like to pick the brains of some of the more experienced tuners in the area…I know I have a lot to learn.

I've been on an AudioFrog kick lately (speaking of Harmon…kinda)…Planning a Froggy 5.1 system powered by (2) JL 900/5HD's.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Back when I was 18. I got to buy cigarettes. Back when I was 21, I could buy my 1st drink at the bar.
Really dude, your starting to sound like John's red-headed step child.

if you knew how you sounded to me you would just stfu.. lol

 

[NSTALN 10+ year member]

honestly that would be something i never tested but having mulpital breakup nodes are only going to color the signal more so over a wider bandwidth I would image.

I would think in the limited duty of dedicated mid bass a 6x9 would still be preferable to a round smaller 6.5 mid bass…even a 6.5 with an exotic motor will still likely see higher levels of distortion if driven hard enough to match the sound of the 6x9.

What I mean is (when modeled) an AudioFrog GB60 needs about 3 times the power as the GS693 to achieve the same SPL…I imagine at that power level (about 300rms) there would be a loss in BL as the cone/coil has to move so much more…and power compression could become an issue. The 6x9 would have such an 'easier' time producing the sound.

My apologies if my concepts are a bit off…like I said still learning.