most over-rated sub?

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

you very well could but.. (this is where my reasoning very well may be wrong)... the different size subs have different resonance and will play different frequencies more "natureally" IE: a sub the size of a large drum will roduce the sound of that drum better than a small drum.... likewise a small sub reproduce sound of a small drum better.... i know that they CAN cover the whole spectrum... but my way is simply: not MAKING them cover the whole specturm.... and if they have less work to do, they should do the work that they DO have better

I think almond's question is exceedingly valid here ~

If using multiple, different size drivers was the way to go then why aren't the top dog SQ competitors doing it?

I can't imagine that some of the guys that have been designing/building/using purely SQ-oriented setups for years and years haven't had your ideas occur to them at least once...

But yet you don't see such things in the lanes now do you?

 

[almond 10+ year member]

but he knows everything and if we disagree we're all idiots. he'll never understand. i'll just keep with my simple three way active that cost me less than his and still sounds better. go ahead and spend all your money at the shop, cause they loooovvvveeee people like you //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[cotsretribution]

I think almond's question is ecxceedingly valid here ~
If using multiple, different size drivers was the way to go then why aren't the top dog SQ competitors doing it?

I can't imagine that some of the guys that have been designing/building/using purely SQ-oriented setups for years and years haven't had your ideas occur to them at least once...

But yet you don't see such things in the lanes now do you?

well i'm sorry to dissagree but i don't think the "noone has ever done it before" falacy of human nature is an excuse not to at least try... thats the same thing as saying well everyone else does it so it must be right... but this is not a philosophy forum so let me ask you this... has anyone here attemped a multi size setup?

 

[almond 10+ year member]

yes, and they don't use it.

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

well i'm sorry to dissagree but i don't think the "noone has ever done it before" falacy of human nature is an excuse not to at least try... thats the same thing as saying well everyone else does it so it must be right... but this is not a philosophy forum so let me ask you this... has anyone here attemped a multi size setup?

Not once in my post that you quoted did I ever claim that nobody has ever done it before. As a matter of fact I made the assumption that your idea has likely floated across the brains of the SQ champions at least once or twice (not specifically in those words but if your reading comprehension is that poor I don't know what to tell you)

All I said is that your theory isn't something you see being put to use in competition ~ EVER.

Following the assumption that more than likely your idea occurred to someone else previously I would further assume that they tried out something similar and after the extensive testing that usually happens prior to engaging in a competitive SQ event the idea was discarded as futile and another avenue was explored.

You may now crawl back under whatever rock you originated from and immediately quit putting words in my mouth.

 

[cotsretribution]

but he knows everything and if we disagree we're all idiots. he'll never understand. i'll just keep with my simple three way active that cost me less than his and still sounds better. go ahead and spend all your money at the shop, cause they loooovvvveeee people like you //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

look dude i'm not as stupid as you think... i know quite a bit and this statment is not valid to say the least its based on all false premisis...

1) i know everything

2)i think you are all idiots

3)i think my system sounds better than yours

none of these things are true yet you make a comment like this putting these false veiws of me, on both you and everyone else who reads the post...

no wonder everyone thinks i'm an idiot can you not decipher the simple techniques of manipulation in this statment?

 

[cotsretribution]

I think almond's question is exceedingly valid here ~
If using multiple, different size drivers was the way to go then why aren't the top dog SQ competitors doing it?

I can't imagine that some of the guys that have been designing/building/using purely SQ-oriented setups for years and years haven't had your ideas occur to them at least once...

But yet you don't see such things in the lanes now do you?

i don't see how i was putting words in your mouth i took what you said exacly wat you said for my comprehension

"can't imagine that some of the guys that have been designing/building/using purely SQ-oriented setups for years and years haven't had your ideas occur to them at least once..."

this litterally implies that the people who do SQ haven't even considered the multi sub setup... does it not?

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

the mulitiple high range drivers are simply to keep up with the amount of bass not from a sq perspective if i were to go sq i would disconnect 2 sets...

Unless you account for the pathlength differences of the multilpe high freq drivers, the results will be a ragged mess of a freq response with some freqs louder but HUGE holes in the response at other places. A good set of more efficient high freq drivers could easily keep up with the bass and sound much better doing it.

but would you agree that price and tuning difficulty aside... it is POSSIBLE to get better(even marginaly better) subbass reproduction out of more than 1 size of sub

You might *almost* equal it. But you will never get better results by dividing the freq range up more than you NEED to. The best midrange drivers are the ones with the broadest frequency range over which they are accurate. Same with tweeters. Frequency division is a compromise, not a solution. In every compromise, you have to give to get and the final result is never optimal. Creating more compromises than you need to makes the final result worse, not better.

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

i don't see how i was putting words in your mouth i took what you said exacly wat you said for my comprehension
"can't imagine that some of the guys that have been designing/building/using purely SQ-oriented setups for years and years haven't had your ideas occur to them at least once..."

this litterally implies that the people who do SQ haven't even considered the multi sub setup... does it not?

No, it doesn't.

It implies that in my estimation I would imagine that at least ONE TIME IN THE PAST your ideas/theory happened upon the brain of someone who competes in SQ events professionally by the people who are champions in this particular pursuit.

With that assumption in mind and the inarguable fact that your idea isn't something you'll find in the competition lanes we can further assume that your idea has originated, been attempted, and finally discarded as a bad idea.

 

[cotsretribution]

if you dissagree, stop attacking the person and instead attack the statement... if i wasn't wanting to learn i wouldn't be in a forum now would i? well i guess some people do frequent them purly to crack clever insults just to make themself laugh....//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

if you dissagree, stop attacking the person and instead attack the statement... if i wasn't wanting to learn i wouldn't be in a forum now would i? well i guess some people do frequent them purly to crack clever insults just to make themself laugh....//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

The statements have been attacked! Repeatedly! And, if you ask me, pretty soundly refuted. You show indications of someone who is completely incapable (or at least unwilling) to be shown a different way or even begin to attempt to learn something from people who just might know better.

With that being said pretty much all that's left since you insist on continuing to post nonsense is to attack the individual rather than the statement.

It's lack of options rather than lack of interest in an honest discussion, fella...

 

[cotsretribution]

Unless you account for the pathlength differences of the multilpe high freq drivers, the results will be a ragged mess of a freq response with some freqs louder but HUGE holes in the response at other places. A good set of more efficient high freq drivers could easily keep up with the bass and sound much better doing it.

completely true.... also true... my components costed 99 bucks a pair, and the focals that i would like are i think 2,500 a pair...

You might *almost* equal it. But you will never get better results by dividing the freq range up more than you NEED to. The best midrange drivers are the ones with the broadest frequency range over which they are accurate. Same with tweeters. Frequency division is a compromise, not a solution. In every compromise, you have to give to get and the final result is never optimal. Creating more compromises than you need to makes the final result worse, not better.

maby currently, but my car is not designed to produce "the best SQ" i'm only trying to find a way to and my system experiements with the multiple drivers approach some people spend their whole life trying something believed to be "impossible" but when they acomplish their goal they aren't looked at as fools are they?

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

thanks... but so basically i was right when i sub plays 2 frequencies at the same time it is blending the 2 frequencies to make them sound like 1 kindof like switching back and forth between frequencies very rapidly? so theoretically, if you had a sub playing a 2 hert signal and a 4hz at the same time it would be changing back and forth from 2 to 4 every half a second

Did you not read any of that link at all?

some people spend their whole life trying something believed to be "impossible" but when they acomplish their goal they aren't looked at as fools are they?

OK, you want a setup that gets loud. Fine. I'm sure that multi-sub cluster**** does that just great. But don't make any other claims beyond that //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[cotsretribution]

The statements have been attacked! Repeatedly! And, if you ask me, pretty soundly refuted. You show indications of someone who is completely incapable (or at least unwilling) to be shown a different way or even begin to attempt to learn something from people who just might know better.
With that being said pretty much all that's left since you insist on continuing to post nonsense is to attack the individual rather than the statement.

It's lack of options rather than lack of interest in an honest discussion, fella...

quite simply i KNOW it IS possible to at least get the same results as a same sub setup... i am here to gain knowledge to how to make it more possible... not to be called an idiot and be told what i am trying to do is idiotic i may very well discover that it is impossible... but untill then i am going to try.. it has been more than expressed that most of you do not agree with what i'm trying to do... once again, "this is why i didn't post a thread about it" yet as another result of attacking the person instead of the question.... i was accused of not being knowledgeable because of my system and thus FORCED to explain

 

[cotsretribution]

Did you not read any of that link at all?


OK, you want a setup that gets loud. Fine. I'm sure that multi-sub cluster**** does that just great. But don't make any other claims beyond that //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

umm i haven't made any claims beyond.. "I BELIEVE that you can get better sound quality with multiple drivers" not a fact only I BELIEVE