Is your school having an empty holster protest?

[2002XLT 5,000+ posts]

And my question about the carrying on campus is the following.
Why?

Is it to prevent people from bringing guns to school because they know others are carrying?

If so then its not a true concealed carry if they know your carrying.

Is it to prevent people from coming to school because they may get into a shootout?

If so then look at it from a police perspective. Instead of 1 shooter you have 2 shooters who are shooting it out old west style in a crowded school. How are they going to tell them apart.

Remember how fast these things happen and the horrible information given out during the first hours of a shooting. I see no benefit of this at all.

I believe its to prevent a massive murder/******* style shooting like Virginia tech/columbine.

 

[2002XLT 5,000+ posts]

I don't think it's beyond reason to ask for this kind of stuff. If they can find it out, then they should be looking for it. Make the person submit to a couple random drug tests. Make them visit a psychiatrist for a while. All at the expense of the person applying for the concealed permit as well. Unless there is some underlying legitimate factor as to why they feel they deserve the permit, ie. being paralyzed.
Do they just ask about it, or do the authorities check for themselves? It's pretty much common sense as to what is not going to allow you to get a permit like this.

Im pretty sure its illegal for them to search for that stuff do to laws, so you would have to have those laws appealed, then make a new gun law. But i could see where that would come in handy, just kinda impossible right now.

 

[lilmaniac2 5,000+ posts]

I believe its to prevent a massive murder/******* style shooting like Virginia tech/columbine.

So the 2nd scenario, I stand by my post. Id rather have 1 shooter than 2. A 12 hour course doesn't make you shoot perfect and in a scenario like that I would suspect you would do more harm than good. Just my $.02

 

[2002XLT 5,000+ posts]

So the 2nd scenario, I stand by my post. Id rather have 1 shooter than 2. A 12 hour course doesn't make you shoot perfect and in a scenario like that I would suspect you would do more harm than good. Just my $.02

I dunno, i have a feeling if i had been in that Virginia Tech schoolroom, there would have only been a couple deaths, one being the gunman.

 

[iagrdshaka 5,000+ posts]

The more gun owning students, the more school shootings.

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[galacticmonkey 5,000+ posts]

If someone wants to bring a gun to school, they will anyway. It wouldnt be that hard. At the school I went to you just walk into. You could easily have a gun in your pocket or in your belt.

At least this way if I saw a person sitting 20 feet from me with a gun, I know I wouldnt pull mine out to start shooting.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IskfFKiuh3Y

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

And my question about the carrying on campus is the following.
Why?

Is it to prevent people from bringing guns to school because they know others are carrying?

If so then its not a true concealed carry if they know your carrying.

Is it to prevent people from coming to school because they may get into a shootout?

If so then look at it from a police perspective. Instead of 1 shooter you have 2 shooters who are shooting it out old west style in a crowded school. How are they going to tell them apart.

Remember how fast these things happen and the horrible information given out during the first hours of a shooting. I see no benefit of this at all.

It is so if I am sitting in a class room and someone walks in and starts shooting, I have a chance at living.

About the police thing - I don't have a link, but I've heard that the average shootout lasts less than 10 seconds. That means in less than 10 seconds one of the people, whether it is the good guy or bad guy, is not able to continue shooting. No police are going to get there in 10 seconds. I know this won't be true in all cases, its just something to think about.

 

[lilmaniac2 5,000+ posts]

I dunno, i have a feeling if i had been in that Virginia Tech schoolroom, there would have only been a couple deaths, one being the gunman.

So you would like to go back to the days of the old west. Sorry I hope that we have evolved past that never to return.

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

To all those against concealed carry on campus, answer this question.

Would you rather be in a room with a shooter who has free reign to execute everyone there, including you, and have no way to stop him?

Or would you rather be in a room with a shooter and have one of the students carrying a gun shoot him before he kills you?

 

[2002XLT 5,000+ posts]

So you would like to go back to the days of the old west. Sorry I hope that we have evolved past that never to return.

Dont be naive, we are still far past old west days. Its not like just anyone is allowed to walk into the classroom with CC, there are requirements that must be met, if you have a problem with the requirements, then change them, but i still feel that a majority of students would benefit from the additional protection. At this time, anyone that is pissed off can bring a pistol in and shoot up the whole school without any protest, at the least, the fact that other people are armed may make the cowards rethink their plan.

 

[Tiger Bass 5,000+ posts]

So the 2nd scenario, I stand by my post. Id rather have 1 shooter than 2. A 12 hour course doesn't make you shoot perfect and in a scenario like that I would suspect you would do more harm than good. Just my $.02

Here's another thing. You are probably right in that most people don't even know how to shoot their gun, especially the girls that get concealed weapons permits. Same news story as I mentioned earlier, but they interviewed a girl who had only ever shot off 1 clip. That's only 6-10 bullets. She has NO IDEA how to shoot accurately, I promise you. I don't want some dumb bitch like this trying to protect herself when she doesn't even truly understand the real consequences of firing a gun.

Imo, they should make the person repeatedly pass a proficiency test with their gun. Make them pass it once every couple months or couple weeks, I don't care, but just make sure that this person knows what they are doing with their gun.

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

So the 2nd scenario, I stand by my post. Id rather have 1 shooter than 2. A 12 hour course doesn't make you shoot perfect and in a scenario like that I would suspect you would do more harm than good. Just my $.02

So you are saying that you would rather be in that room at VT where everyone got killed, than let trained, responsibe, law abiding citizens carry a gun?

 

[2002XLT 5,000+ posts]

Here's another thing. You are probably right in that most people don't even know how to shoot their gun, especially the girls that get concealed weapons permits. Same news story as I mentioned earlier, but they interviewed a girl who had only ever shot off 1 clip. I don't want some dumb bitch like this trying to protect herself when she doesn't even truly understand the real consequences of firing a gun.
Imo, they should make the person repeatedly pass a proficiency test with their gun. Make them pass it once every couple months or couple weeks, I don't care, but just make sure that this person knows what they are doing with their gun.

Now you are getting at requirements for CC, and i agree, but this does not really matter towards the fact of having a CC on campus. You are using this one dumb bia to sway your entire opinion. She probably had nice tits and the instructors let her slide.

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

So you would like to go back to the days of the old west. Sorry I hope that we have evolved past that never to return.

Yeah, we've evolved to where the peope that want to walk into a class room and kill a bunch of people are free to do so and no one has any way to defend themselves.

 

[Tiger Bass 5,000+ posts]

Now you are getting at requirements for CC, and i agree, but this does not really matter towards the fact of having a CC on campus. You are using this one dumb bia to sway your entire opinion. She probably had nice tits and the instructors let her slide.

Well, it's obvious they aren't enforcing it everywhere then, but the requirements should be a good bit stricter for on campus. Here at a big school like Clemson, there are people everywhere all the time. 1 stray bullet could very easily harm someone that otherwise would have been safe.