Is your school having an empty holster protest?

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

That's a brilliant idea!
Instead of taking the necessary steps to limit situations like school shootingsIf schools would do that this wouldn't even be an issue...... (which I'm sorry, they're going to happen whether or not you happen to have a gun on you, but we can take steps to attempt to limit them).... let's just give EVERYONE a gun.Does everyone in a state that allows concealed carry have a gun on them? No and everyone in college wouldn't either. Then all of the stray bullets have an opportunity to kill or wound even more innocent people....yay! And yes, I'm being serious. I see some serious negatives about more guns firing more bullets in decently large crowds in the rather closed quarters of college classrooms.

I haven't read this whole thread, so forgive me. But can I please see any independently conducted and peer reviewed studies indicating what effect giving students the ability to carry concealed weapons on campus will have? Has anyone confirmed with actual facts and studies that there is a positive correlation or any true benefit? Or is this simply a case of "it would make me feel better"?No I have never seen any official information on this. It has made a difference other places though and I fail to see how this would be any different. If you want an example of a benefit of someone carrying a handgun look back a few posts to the one with the links to the news articles.

Also, what is the actual number of college campus school shootings to make this such an issue? What is the average number of shootings per year over the past, oh, 20 or 30 years ? How many deaths per students (by on-campus violence...not alcohol, not overdosing, not while out at a club, etc)? I would gather a guess that you'd have a statistically better chance of winning the lottery than currently being killed by a gunman at school.....but that's just an off-the-cuff guess. The odds are low. The odds were also low for those at Virginia Tech, but they are now dead.

I have no issue with gun laws in general. I have no issue with an individuals right to bear arms. But honestly, I can't help but chuckle at those so paranoid they feel the need to carry 24/7 and in every situation or circumstance. Nothing in life is 100%, and you could still be killed in a shooting even while having a concealed weapon on you. Not to mention the risks you are taking with other people's lives if you do decide to use that weapon in a defensive manor.Why chuckle at someone who chooses to carry? It is their decision if they want to or not and it does not affect you. Of course there is a chance you could be killed even if you have a gun. The gun just lessen that chance.

See the red.

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

You didn't understand my point.
If 1000 students over X period of time were killed by a gunman out of tens of millions (for example) that attended college over that same time period, statistically your chance of being killed by a gunman is extremely minute. Barely worth a mention and not enough of a risk to warrant concealed weapons on campus.

But again, I don't have the exact figures.....which is why I was asking. I would hope someone taking the stance that this issue is a necessity would have this kind of supporting evidence.

This doesn't apply only to getting shot in class, it applies to all the people who have been robbed, beat up, *****, etc anywhere on a college campus. You also don't have to shoot someone who is doing those things, just the sight of a gun can be enough to stop them from whatever they want to do.

 

[Nukedsodapop 5,000+ posts]

I wish we could carry on my campus

hell I can't wait till I can get my concealed carry

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

Another note, Utah allows concealed carry on their college campuses. No one has gone crazy and shot everyone there.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

If schools would do that this wouldn't even be an issue

Then start demanding the schools do instead of, or along with, the concealed weapons push.

Does everyone in a state that allows concealed carry have a gun on them? No and everyone in college wouldn't either.

The possibility exists, even though the "everyone" part was a bit sarcastic. But regardless, you focused on a small detail rather than the essence and point of the statement. What is the net benefit of 2 guns being fired in a crowded classroom compared to 1 gun? Sure, you may get lucky and hit and kill the gunman on the first try. Or you might get into a shootout which only results in more innocents being killed and injured. Big risk, and the chances IMO aren't 50/50. I see a higher probability of the latter rather than the former. But again, I have no figures (but would like to see some).

No I have never seen any official information on this. It has made a difference other places though and I fail to see how this would be any different. If you want an example of a benefit of someone carrying a handgun look back a few posts to the one with the links to the news articles.

And I'm sure I can find just as many articles of concealed weapons carriers injuring or killing bystanders with their weapon during their defense attempts. Or of increased injuries or killings as a result of a gun battle. Posting a few articles isn't much evidence or support of either position. Which is why I was looking for facts to support your stance that this is necessary. But it appears this is simply an "because it makes me feel better" issue.

The odds are low. The odds were also low for those at Virginia Tech, but they are now dead.

Yes, they are. It was a terrible event.

But you've yet to provide any evidence that allowing concealed weapons on campus is the right, best or even an acceptable way to deal with the issues and probabilities involved.

Why chuckle at someone who chooses to carry?

Maybe it's because I'm from a small town....but I found the paronia humorous.

It is their decision if they want to or not and it does not affect you.

It very easily could, if someone is killed or injured as a result of your weapon.

The gun just lessen that chance.

And it carries a lot more "chances" with it than your own life.

I've yet to see any evidence or logical reason (in my view) that this is a necessary or positive step in the right direction in regards to the issue of campus violence. And honestly your reply was little more than "because it would make me feel better".

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Another note, Utah allows concealed carry on their college campuses. No one has gone crazy and shot everyone there.

And over that time period, how many campus shootings has Utah had?

If someone can show me some solid evidence there is a significant benefit to carrying a concealed weapon on campus, I'd be all for it.

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

And over that time period, how many campus shootings has Utah had?

If someone can show me some solid evidence there is a significant benefit to carrying a concealed weapon on campus, I'd be all for it.

You changed my av didn't you.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

You changed my av didn't you.

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[mattf 5,000+ posts]

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lol, I knew it.

 

[Harleyfx69 10+ year member]

those of you that are trying to restrict our second amendment i would like to vote to restrict your first amendment

 

[SyKo13 5,000+ posts]

Fuck Egypt

 

[SyKo13 5,000+ posts]

Wrong thread:crap: