How Many of You Are SAVED?

[Acidburn 5,000+ posts]

holy crap, long post

 

[Frraksurred 10+ year member]

holy crap, long post

The post I was responding to, in it's entirity, was even longer! LOL!

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It's a conspiracy.

 

[Frraksurred 10+ year member]

Let's just forget anything before the flood (lets assume it was 4,400 years ago..2,400 BC) From that time, humans would have to have reproduced, traveled, settled and found ways to survive. Everyone with me so far? From those few people, who HAD TO BE a "mixture" of every trait, all the races would have had to MICROEVOLVE into black, white, hispanic, asian, etc..
Not only that but in the 2400 years between Christ and Noah, the population would have to have moved and expanded to all reaches of Europe, Asia, and Africa, go through micro-evolution into their adapted forms (black in africa, whites in europe, asians in asia, and whatever middle easterners are called.), and then set up civilizations.

It is impossible for those micro evolutions to occur between the 2,400 years before Christ came along, much less by now.

A few tidbits on the flood and the ensuant recovery. There is too much to paste here, so check out the link.

There is a wealth more information here.

 

[Str8Up 10+ year member]

Man man man. That death toll in Thailand is just unbelievable.

But in the midst of all the negatives, and there is an overwhelming majority of negatives, there are some positives involved.

Think of all the children that died. They get to go to a place that many many people will never see. All the children 12 and under that died will have white robes and golden crowns waiting on them in God's kingdom. Actually that could've been a blessing in disguise. I don't know what religious practices they take part in over in the part of the world, but if they worshiped Krishna, Budah, or some other false God, chances are that their children would've been brought up to believe in them instead of Jesus. And they might've taken that belief to their grave, but instead they get to see Jesus face to face, and most importantly, in peace.

The Lord works in mysteriously ways...

And if anything that should serve as an example to you unbelievers that death can come at anytime. There is know way those people knew when the woke up that they'd die that day. But those of them that were saved, they are most definately in a better place. But those that weren't....well, the choice they made will have eternal consequences.

Those that worship the Lord Jesus and follow him don't have to fear death, and shouldn't.

I thank The Most High for Jesus...

 

[Acidburn 5,000+ posts]

if they arent Mormons, they are all going to hell

 

[Str8Up 10+ year member]

No offense to you personally, but that's the believer's cop-out. If I steal something, I don't do it because it was "it's time to be stolen".

Stealing something....death, stealing something....death. Hmmm. I don't see why you'd compare apples with oranges.

All though stealing something can result in death //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

The scripture states that not even a sparrow falls to the ground without the Lord's say-so. So, the ONLY way those people died is if the Lord allowed it.

Like I said, the Lord works in mysterious ways. And ways definately unknown to the unbeliever...

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

The scripture states that not even a sparrow falls to the ground without the Lord's say-so. So, the ONLY way those people died is if the Lord allowed it.

Assuming your view is correct; I don't disagree with it. But, "It was their time to go" isn't a viable answer; or atleast an unexceptable one to me. If that's all the answer you need, more power to ya.

 

[LIGHTBEING 10+ year member]

The people of the bible never practiced Christianity //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
They simply obeyed the Lord or they didn't. Christianity IMO is not what the bible is talking about whatsoever

My point was that if there is no Adam and Eve story. No eating the forbidden fruit. There would be no Christianity, because there would be no Jesus. There would be no need for a Saviour. You need to dig a little deeper //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[Str8Up 10+ year member]

My point was that if there is no Adam and Eve story. No eating the forbidden fruit. There would be no Christianity, because there would be no Jesus. There would be no need for a Saviour. You need to dig a little deeper //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Nah, my point for that post was to try to say that Christianity is false IMO.

What did people before Christ practice?

And the people that call themselves Jews in modern day Israel, they practice Judaism, Judah-ism. What did the ancient Hebrews practice before the birth of Judah? And btw, the Hebrews NEVER followed that garbage called Judaism. Nor is it found in the bible.

IMO there is no way in hell the 'founding fathers' of this country were 'christians', if christian is supposed to mean what this country leads people to believe.

Having slaves, murdering Indians to acquire land, and some of the Satanic practices that they were involved in.

2 Corinthians 11:3- But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

11:4- For if the that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

It's so so simple to just do with Jesus asked us to do, but ignorant men would rather add and take away from what Jesus laid out for us to follow, label it, and start something that is not in alignment with what the Lord said.

ex: Baptist, Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist, etc.

There are so so many branches of 'Christianity', and most of them differ from each other. So which one is correct? Which should we follow? Which would Jesus want us to follow?

Well IMO the answer to the first 2 questions is NONE, but the answer to the 3rd question is THE WORD THAT HE LEFT FOR US TO FOLLOW THAT IS IN THE BIBLE. And pray to Him for edification, and understanding.

SIMPLE AS CAN BE!!!!

This country has painted their own version of Jesus into the minds of many of it's inhabitants (in the literal sense aswell).

Jesus supposedly loves everybody, everybody is supposedly created equal, Jesus is supposed to be some soft God that shys away from war and only preaches peace, the list goes on and on.

Believe that he is, believe that he died for your sins, ask him for understanding, believe that he is able to give that to you, and you'll have it. You don't need ANYBODY, there is nobody standing in between you and God, so don't let these false pastors trick you into thinking that you need them, and that you must give to them to get something from God. Trust, they WILL get their reward, and I wouldn't want to be in their shoes when they get it...

 

[Frraksurred 10+ year member]

All the children 12 and under that died will have white robes and golden crowns waiting on them in God's kingdom. Actually that could've been a blessing in disguise.

To clarify just a bit, the Bible talks about an "age of accountability" or "age of understanding" (depending on your translation) that refers to the point in a person's life that you are capable of understanding greater truths, specifically the Gospel message. In Jewish tradition this age was 12 or 13 (depending on time and tribe) and coincided with entering adulthood. The context of the text however is not age specific. Different people understand at different ages. Take for example a mentally handicaped individual who, though he is 35, has the understanding of a 10 year old. Only God knows the heart, and only He can judge who has understood to the point of accepting or rejecting (ignoring being the same as rejecting) the truth.

And if anything that should serve as an example to you unbelievers that death can come at anytime. There is know way those people knew when the woke up that they'd die that day. But those of them that were saved, they are most definately in a better place. But those that weren't....well, the choice they made will have eternal consequences.
Those that worship the Lord Jesus and follow him don't have to fear death, and shouldn't.

I thank The Most High for Jesus...

A stark reminder of Proverbs 27:1. Tomorrow is promised to no man.

 

[Frraksurred 10+ year member]

Nah, my point for that post was to try to say that Christianity is false IMO.
What did people before Christ practice?

And the people that call themselves Jews in modern day Israel, they practice Judaism, Judah-ism. What did the ancient Hebrews practice before the birth of Judah? And btw, the Hebrews NEVER followed that garbage called Judaism. Nor is it found in the bible.

IMO there is no way in hell the 'founding fathers' of this country were 'christians', if christian is supposed to mean what this country leads people to believe.

Having slaves, murdering Indians to acquire land, and some of the Satanic practices that they were involved in.

2 Corinthians 11:3- But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

11:4- For if the that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

It's so so simple to just do with Jesus asked us to do, but ignorant men would rather add and take away from what Jesus laid out for us to follow, label it, and start something that is not in alignment with what the Lord said.

ex: Baptist, Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist, etc.

There are so so many branches of 'Christianity', and most of them differ from each other. So which one is correct? Which should we follow? Which would Jesus want us to follow?

Well IMO the answer to the first 2 questions is NONE, but the answer to the 3rd question is THE WORD THAT HE LEFT FOR US TO FOLLOW THAT IS IN THE BIBLE. And pray to Him for edification, and understanding.

SIMPLE AS CAN BE!!!!

This country has painted their own version of Jesus into the minds of many of it's inhabitants (in the literal sense aswell).

Jesus supposedly loves everybody, everybody is supposedly created equal, Jesus is supposed to be some soft God that shys away from war and only preaches peace, the list goes on and on.

Believe that he is, believe that he died for your sins, ask him for understanding, believe that he is able to give that to you, and you'll have it. You don't need ANYBODY, there is nobody standing in between you and God, so don't let these false pastors trick you into thinking that you need them, and that you must give to them to get something from God. Trust, they WILL get their reward, and I wouldn't want to be in their shoes when they get it...

You make some good points in your post, however you seem to have lost sight of at least one good Biblcal point in the process.

Christ most certainly meant for His Church to be united. This is why He prayed before His ascention "may they be one, as we are one". Paul continued this teaching by directing the different Churches of the day to be wary of division among them. Now, as you've stated, many original doctrines have been changed by different groups that have split the Church. For example baptism was always practiced using submersion until some 800 years ago during a water shortage, sprinkling became a temporary solution. Though the method of emersion had symbolism God meant for it to have, the practice of sprinkling was kept by several denominations. I personally prefer to be as close to Christ's example as possible, but just because some Churches use that method doesn't keep me out of a church that sticks to the Bible's example. This brings me to my point, if the core belief of a denomination is still based on Jesus' life, death and resurrection for our sins, that we choose whether to accept that gift or not (because it is not automatically applied); then Biblically they are still considered a "Christian" faith. The lesser doctrines are important, but largely unimportant.

To avoid going to a church you search out and are Biblically comfortable with just because there are other denominations that do things differently, is just as un-Biblical as what you are denouncing. Paul admonishes the Hebrews in chapter 10, verse 25 "Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another- and all the more as you see the Day approaching (Christ's return). There are other verses in Acts that show the early Church meeting together weekly, to break bread and have communion. Paul repeatedly uses the anology of a Shepard tending to his flock (as Christ did) to show the need for Church leaders. The point behind all this is God never designed for us to go through this life alone. He intended for us to act as a community (meaning the Church), to be a support system for one another, to have a respected and proven "Shepard" to help guide us (never to replace the word, but to come along side of it as a more learned fellow human being). Paul told the Galatians that the Bureans were "of more noble character" because they not only hear the word, but studied it on their own to ensure the teaching was true. That verse alone displays the Biblical design for them both to be a part of our Christian walk.

I understand completely the need for all people of all positions that consider themselves followers of Christ to aknoledge and adhere to the Word of God without alteration. But Christ designed for a Church home to be a part of that.

 

[Str8Up 10+ year member]

Well, I wasn't meaning that we shouldn't go to church. I meant not to follow their religious practices that aren't in alignment with what's in the scripture.

Because I don't think that just because you've been brought up to do things slightly different than a Baptist if your a Methodist, doesn't mean that Jesus will reject you. Because it seems that they have the most important thing in common. That Jesus is the Son of God, he died for our sins, and that he is the only way to salvation.

But on another note, it would help if people would stop depending on their pastors to teach them EVERYTHING, and actually open the book and read for themselves, praying and asking the Lord to reveal to them what he would have them to understand. That would also help people to recognize if they're being lead to believe something contrary to what the scripture states.

Very good conversation brother! I enjoy your posts. It seems that we've scared away the unbelievers, lol.

O well //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[Frraksurred 10+ year member]

Well, I wasn't meaning that we shouldn't go to church. I meant not to follow their religious practices that aren't in alignment with what's in the scripture.
Because I don't think that just because you've been brought up to do things slightly different than a Baptist if your a Methodist, doesn't mean that Jesus will reject you. Because it seems that they have the most important thing in common. That Jesus is the Son of God, he died for our sins, and that he is the only way to salvation.

But on another note, it would help if people would stop depending on their pastors to teach them EVERYTHING, and actually open the book and read for themselves, praying and asking the Lord to reveal to them what he would have them to understand. That would also help people to recognize if they're being lead to believe something contrary to what the scripture states.

Amen to that! Not only couldn't I have said it better myself, but it adds a great deal of clarity to your previous post.

Very good conversation brother! I enjoy your posts. It seems that we've scared away the unbelievers, lol.
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LOL! I enjoy yours as well. I doubt we've scared them away for long. The Holy Spirit is pretty good at what He does. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif BTW, I prefer to call them "seekers". Most of us are just seeking for what is absolute truth, though we often disagree with what that is, discovering it is certainly a process. As an unbeliever I never cared for the Hellfire and brimestone appraoach, it made me feel belittled. I had legitimate questions and wanted legitimate answers without somebody beating me over the head with their beliefs. So, as a believer I try not to take too over powering of an approach (key word being "try"). It's too easy to come off as "hey, I'm better then you" or something. Everybody is at a different stage of growth, including me, so remembering that process in my own life has helped me to retain some understanding and compassion. That and His ever present help.

So what's your favorite band?

 

[ss3079 5,000+ posts]

So what's your favorite band?

Slayer

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- Steve

 

[Frraksurred 10+ year member]

Slayer
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- Steve

Seriously or being facicous (uh, however you spell that)? I thought you were a 60's - 70's guy.

Haven't heard them in years. Enjoyed their sound, didn't care for their lyrics. Enjoyed their interview on Bob Larson years back.

I found "Demon Hunter" and "East West" to to sound a lot like them, but with lyrics I can deal with.