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First of all it would be VERY strange because Adam and Eve would have to have every genetic possible allele in existance in their bodies. One would have to have all dominant traits and the other have all recessive traits, or a mixture of the two. Not only that but their offspring would have to carry every allelle they possesed. Which is VERY unlikely considering how the production of gametes work and the fact that every gamete has a different variation of the parent's DNA.
Furthermore, all genes (both dominant and recessive plus others *some alleles have three or even four possibilities*) would have to be present when Noah came about. Let's just forget anything before the flood (lets assume it was 4,400 years ago..2,400 BC) From that time, humans would have to have reproduced, traveled, settled and found ways to survive. Everyone with me so far? From those few people, who HAD TO BE a "mixture" of every trait, all the races would have had to MICROEVOLVE into black, white, hispanic, asian, etc..

Not only that but in the 2400 years between Christ and Noah, the population would have to have moved and expanded to all reaches of Europe, Asia, and Africa, go through micro-evolution into their adapted forms (black in africa, whites in europe, asians in asia, and whatever middle easterners are called.), and then set up civilizations.

It is impossible for those micro evolutions to occur between the 2,400 years before Christ came along, much less by now. Hardy Weignberg problems show that it would be impossible, but Again, I will give you guys the benefit of the doubt.

Lets take a look at empirical evidence.

Here are dates of rulers and their pyramids.

-Bent Pyramid-Pharaoh Snefru (2680-2565 BC)

-The sphynx is a mythical creature and his pyramid that supposedly was built by the Pharaoh Khafre-Chephren about 2500 B.C.

-Pyramid of Pepi II (2250 B.C.)

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/pyramids/pyramids.html

This is fine and dandy. Let's assume that two people populated the earth enough to have the pyramids build in 2600BC. What about 2250BC, only 150 years after the flood? Doesn't seem possible, eh? They would have had to travel to the place where it was built, settle, reproduce exponentially, and build something that takes up to a century in 150 years? Hmm.

And according to this (it doesn't state any beleifs, I am just taking the INFORMATION and applying it to this discussion..http://searchenginez.com/2012/america_pyramids.html

Humans were in the America's as early as 800 BC and no latter than 100 AD according to the time one mound was built in Miamisburg Mound, Ohio.

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Near Mexico’s current capital, this city of ruins was thought to have been home to 125,000 people in 600 AD. Teotihuacan was founded in 100 BC, and deserted by 750 AD, which sounds tragic yet few civilizations manage to last 850 years.

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So they spread into what is now Mexico and set up a VERY LARGE city by 100 BC.. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but cities with 125,000 people don't just spring up out of nowheres, there has to be preexistant civilization there with a base of agriculture and other things in order to sustain such a place?

So in 2,300 years, civilization spread completely to the other side of the globe. Let's not even take into account the time that that Alaska-Russia land or ice bridge was there... the last Ice Age, which was supposedly longer than that, but according to Creationists, that is science, science is right, except for evolution.... Hmm since when is Ice Ages part of evolution?

Ok this one is kinda corny because it has to do with pigs but civilizations were in asia by 2250 according to this. So in 150 years, they build the pyramids and some of them already traversed from whereever in the Middle East it is that the ARC landed to Asin? Hmm.http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/7484/time/tl-civ1.htm

was supposedly longer than that, but according to Creationists, that is science, science is right, except for evolution.... Hmm since when is Ice Ages part of evolution?

Ok this one is kinda corny because it has to do with pigs but civilizations were in asia by 2250 according to this. So in 150 years, they build the pyramids and some of them already traversed from whereever in the Middle East it is that the ARC landed to Asin? Hmm.http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/7484/time/tl-civ1.htm

ok now just look at when Mayans came to be... Not only did they start a civilization across the globe 400 years after the flood, they were a group of people which had already microevolved into one race. Let's not even get into the logistics of those people moving that great a distance, nor the amount of rapid population growth that would have been needed. Also notice there are sustained civilizations THROUGH the flood... Then Indus and China civilizations that started during if not right after the flood... http://chaos1.hypermart.net/anciv/

Facts? I've presented so many in threads like this, but they get totally ignored. If there would be a symposium on "creation vs. evolution" to decide which was correct, it would be overwhelming the amount of evidence that evolution would win. BUT the creationists who are there would ignore it all because of the whole "carbon dating" argument and the clause that they claim God has that "he could have made things in a pre-existant state" (meaning that he made the fossils appear without their having any real animals like that... EVER)

pre existing fossils- goes against their claims and studies that fossils can form in only a few years or weeks instead of the thousands of years normally though of.

carbon (using the fallacy that if carbon dating isn't accurate, then all the other isotope dating methods MUST be wrong too.) dating is "not accurate"- even though they use this and it is true (to an extent because it is only found to be innaccurate by 3% AT THE MOST with and avereage of innaccuracy by 1.6 or 1.7%.), they also use it in order to prove that the bible is 2000 years old and to date other artifacts in their favor.

Flood-Church says it happened the way it said in the bible. Creationists can't make up their mind if the bible is to be taken literally or not. If it is, then it is TOTALLY disproven because the flood CANNOT have covered the entire Earth. If it isn't to be taken literally, then why do they argue the flood really happened using evidence such as sea shells on mountaintops? I mean, if it's supposed to be a local flood, there is no way it would make water reach levels high as mountaintops. Why, if it didn't happen, does the bible say that judgement or whatever was passed and only those animals that were good or whatever survived. Creationists also argue that this is why there aren't anymore Dinosaurs... BUT they also claim there are dinosaurs ( they say lizards are just dinosaurs that haven't grown enough because there isn't the same amounts of foods as before the flood and they claim lock ness monster and other things are dinosaurs) and the existance of them PROVE that evolutionists are wrong because that means that they weren't extinct... WELL DUH, that means evolutionists made a mistake (not that they were wrong) I mean come on, evolutionists haven't claimed that they are all extint or whatever, but there has been ntohing to prove otherwise, except tabloid reports. Also, if it is not literal, then why should we beleive anything else in there, like all the miracles, and that Adam and Eve were the only people, and Jesus never had a relationship with a woman/ Mary Magdeline was a *****...(let's not get into that because there are plenty of things that the church is hiding from the public that could possibly destroy it.) I've also already proven without a shaddow of a doubt that it CANNOT be taken literal because of the rise of civilizations around the world before, during and immediately after this "flood."

Lattely people like Freud have been questioning my Christianism (is that a word?) for my disregarding the good book and it's teachings..First I am not against it's teachings and... well I'm not trying to disgrace it or anything, but only trying to prove that Evolution IS possible and the evidence points to THAT rather than man being created by God in 7 days. That's another point... some say Earth was created in 7 days, but some say those days were MILLIONS of years old to support their "devine evolution" theory, yet the church and bible studiers that are ALOT smarter than these people say it is to be taken literally because it is a normal 7 days because God means what he says in the bible.

Here is evidence in a variety of sites.. the last one is the most extensive and provides the most complete case for evolution I have ever seen online before..

http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html

http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm

http://bioweb.cs.earlham.edu/9-12/evolution/HTML/live.html

http://www.tim-thompson.com/*****-fossils.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html#morphological_intermediates

There you guys go... have fun.
That is quite possibly the longest single post I've ever seen.

 
Does it really matter? It's discrimination to tell someone they are wrong, immoral and banished to hell because they choose to plumb another man's pipes.
What happened to God loving all men equally? I don't see "don't be gay" anywhere on the 10 commandments
Brother, there were WAY more than 10 commandments. And if you don't see anything condemning homosexuality then you need to read the ****** laws in the book of Leviticus.

Btw, I believe, and have proof that God doesn't love EVERYBODY. And of the majority that he does love, I don't know if the love is equal or not. It seems to me that, if anyone read the OT, they would come to the conclusion that God loves the children of Israel above all nations. And was even prepared to make it so that they would be above all nations, but they broke his commandments. So instead of being blessed, and being above all nation, they are some of the poorest people on earth, scattered all across the globe, and victoms of some the harshest violence and living condition possible.. (ex: the Ethiopian Hebrews)

Btw, look up Esau and Edom. He said he hated Esau before he was even born. That's some pretty strong hatred right there... He even refused to heal a Canaanite women, but eventual did because she was so persistant.

And for you folks that try to disprove the miracles spoken of in the bible...Almost every miracle spoken of in the bible defies science.

Why would you people believe that THE CREATOR has to comply with todays so-called scientific laws? He can do what he wants. He can do everything, but lie.

 
Brother, there were WAY more than 10 commandments. And if you don't see anything condemning homosexuality then you need to read the ****** laws in the book of Leviticus.
Btw, I believe, and have proof that God doesn't love EVERYBODY. And of the majority that he does love, I don't know if the love is equal or not. It seems to me that, if anyone read the OT, they would come to the conclusion that God loves the children of Israel above all nations. And was even prepared to make it so that they would be above all nations, but they broke his commandments. So instead of being blessed, and being above all nation, they are some of the poorest people on earth, scattered all across the globe, and victoms of some the harshest violence and living condition possible.. (ex: the Ethiopian Hebrews)

Btw, look up Esau and Edom. He said he hated Esau before he was even born. That's some pretty strong hatred right there... He even refused to heal a Canaanite women, but eventual did because she was so persistant.

And for you folks that try to disprove the miracles spoken of in the bible...Almost every miracle spoken of in the bible defies science.

Why would you people believe that THE CREATOR has to comply with todays so-called scientific laws? He can do what he wants. He can do everything, but lie.

he cant **********...

i win. you lose.

 
B/c 'he' has a penis.
Squeak told me.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

Darn it Mike, I thought that was our "little" secret //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/bawling.gif.6287aa5d1d447c8af063fc9466e822ef.gif

Oh well, I'm sure you've had good nights alone with the video tape //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/clap.gif.178cba2c538c68e720c727fcb024b19c.gif

 
im not selling my idea. i just posted facts that people on here cant prove other wise. if someone can prove that the flood really happened or that adam and eve could of been the first humans then go ahead.
I'm not smart enough nor do I have the patience to argue. Considering everyone wants to argue no one wants to discuss and or debate.

I'm going to go make a voodoo doll out of your pubic hair now... bye bye.

 
Hmm, well if he was against sodomy, then oral and anal *** of any kind is against god's will. Hmm, I wonder how many bible thumpers have received oral *** before?
i know of one;) actually i dont:crap:

 
I find it so amazing that some of you act as if you have a direct pipeline to God. You are so knowledgeable, on who "He" is, how "He" thinks/feels, what "He" is interested in. You guys are pretty d amn special to know "God" on this level.
Please stop all the madness.

Those that believe the bible is accurate use the bible to better understand God among other things.

 
im not selling my idea. i just posted facts that people on here cant prove other wise. if someone can prove that the flood really happened or that adam and eve could of been the first humans then go ahead.
Well, I didn't read all of your excesively long post so I don't know what 'facts' you brought to the table.

But as you claim that we can't prove that the flood happened, you can't prove that it didn't. All you can do is give theories.

you guyz trip over that the bible was written by men, so it can't be believed, or it can't be accurate, well, your just a man aswell, so why should I believe you?

All the atheist men that write books and theories of why they believe that the miracles of the bible couldn't have happened...they're men. Why are they more reliable than the men that wrote the bible?

And you ask how do I know that God is a he?

Because so so so many times the bible clearly refers to God as the FATHER and Jesus as the SON...FATHER & SON

Anyways, why in the world are the miracles of the bible, and Adam & Eve of so much importance to you?

Non-believers such as yourself trip me out with that. You spend all your time trying to disprove events that are recorded in the bible, all so you can try to make yourself believe that those events couldn't have taken place, therefore making the bible inaccurate, therefore bringing doubt in your mind about everything else written in the bible, and ultimately that brings forth your oh so precious EXCUSE for why you won't believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that you need to follow his laws and commandments...

Just the thought of you having to follow Jesus to avoid ****ation and perdition scares you so much that it leads you to make yourself focus on irrelevent issues, like Adam & Eve, so that you can find the slightest imperfection in the scripture to blow it all out of proportion to make yourself feel comfortable with your belief that the things written in the bible can't be so, lol.

Feel free to continue comforting the other unbelievers with your 'facts'. But I'm not interested in that any longer. Knowing about Adam & Eve can't save my soul, nor can it save the souls of the other members, whether they were the first people or not, so I will continue trying to answer questions that I feel that matter...

 
Those that believe the bible is accurate use the bible to better understand God among other things.
Yes, but you use it to satify your own presupposition. i.e most Christians believe that the Bible is accurate before they even read the Bible because this is what they are told to do. And clearly, you can not make a good judgement call when you already hold the Bible to a higher authority. I on the other hand, hold everything to the same standard. I'm fortunate in a way, that I was not raised any particular religion, so that I can formulate my own opinion or "truth" by being consistant in my research and evaluations.

 
Str8up,

Not backing Osiris in anyway, I only glanced at his "facts" so I have no comment on them but looking into and desecting Genesis should be important to anyone who is interested in theology, as I think Osiris is. Not only is Genesis the most amazing and extraordinary Book of the Bible IMO but most importantly it provides the foundation to many religions. Also, Christianity depends o much on these two characters, Adam and Eve, without them, Christianity would not exist.

 
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