Have a AQ2200, no sub..

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I recently just purchased a aq2200 and have no sub for it. I just removed the sub I currently have (zv4) from its enclosure. I did that for two reasons, bought the wrong dvc option and from all the research, threads, forums, etc.. I personally think its too much for me. So I will be putting that up for sale today. Now as for buying the next sub, I have no idea what the hell to do. I have a 0 gauge wiring kit, big 3 is being installed this week, and have a huge box that fits a zv4 with 2 4" aero ports.

I am basically looking for a "12 sub that I can run at full potential at a final 1 ohm impedance. I listen to rap and rap only, particularly south so I love the lows. Want good sound quality, makes the ground shake, all the good stuff. Just need to find the perfect match to the amp.

I have been browsing at subs and need advice on what will fit my needs. I'm going to list the subs I was considering purchasing. I am open minded right now so I'll appreciate and respect any input or recommendations.

• SA Zv3
  
• AA Mayhem
  
• IA Death Penalty
  
• DC XL
  
• HDC 4.0
  
• SSA Zcon
  

Again I appreciate any and all feedback. Thanks.

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[oxsign 5,000+ posts]

So you took out a ZV4 cause "it's to much for you", yet you want to replace it with an equal sub in it's p[lace in the same box?? I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're wanting to get out of this..... Aside for the wrong VC configuration, why don't you just try to trade it off for a replacement sub that's the same thing??

 

[wew lad 5,000+ posts]

aren't all those subs going to be underpowered on that amp at 1 ohm rising to whatever? i mean, you'll get maybe 1500w rms soft clipped. look for an efficient 3 inch 4 layer coil sub that likes big boxes - we need to know how "big" you're talking

 

[adulbrich 5,000+ posts]

If it was too much for you, just turn the gain down a little.....

 

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So you took out a ZV4 cause "it's to much for you", yet you want to replace it with an equal sub in it's p[lace in the same box?? I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're wanting to get out of this..... Aside for the wrong VC configuration, why don't you just try to trade it off for a replacement sub that's the same thing??

I was reading they can take a lot more power then what I have to offer.

aren't all those subs going to be underpowered on that amp at 1 ohm rising to whatever? i mean, you'll get maybe 1500w rms soft clipped. look for an efficient 3 inch 4 layer coil sub that likes big boxes - we need to know how "big" you're talking

Okay this is where I get confused.

This is directly from soundqubed;

Digital Monoblock 1 ohm stable

Input Sensitivity 0.2v-8v

Variable Low Pass Filter 20Hz-200Hz @ 24dB/Oct

Subsonic Filter 10Hz-50Hz @ 24dB/Oct

Output Master / Input Slave, 2 amps linkable connection Yes

Clipping Display Led Yes

Signal to Noise Ratio 90dB

External Fuse Rating 200 Amps, 400 Amps Linked

Tested Voltage 14.4V

4 ohm power @ 12V @ 1% THD 770W x 1 @ 4ohm

1 ohm power @ 14.4V 2300W x 1 @ 1ohm

1 ohm Power @ 16V 2450W @ 1ohm

2 ohm Linked Power @ 14.4V @ 1% THD 4600W @ 2ohm

Dimensions 17.71"(L)x9.27"(W)x2.35"(H)

If i have the sub wired to a 1 ohm final impedance why would I only get 1500?

And I just reinstalled the sub in my car after about 8 months and bought the enclosure a year ago so I don't quite remember the specs. I did buy it from a user on here though.

 

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If it was too much for you, just turn the gain down a little.....

I meant too much for me as in I don't have enough power for it. I was reading these subs can take 1-3k more then what I have. That throws me off as of how much potential I am getting out of it with amp I am using.

 

[oxsign 5,000+ posts]

If it was too much for you, just turn the gain down a little.....

According to him, it wasn't even at a 1ohm load due to the wrong VC. So if this was already to much for him, can you imagine if he was getting full potential out of it??

 

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According to him, it wasn't even at a 1ohm load due to the wrong VC. So if this was already to much for him, can you imagine if he was getting full potential out of it??

No you're misunderstanding lol. Too much as in I don't have the proper equipment to get full potential out of it.

 

[wew lad 5,000+ posts]

basically subwoofers and enclosures are inherently inefficient when it comes to the final load and you will rise above your wired load due to various factors (think conservation of energy). if you want to know more feel free to read up on google, just understand that wiring to 1 ohm does not mean you will get 1 ohm power, you will get 2-3 ohm power in most circumstances.

 

[adulbrich 5,000+ posts]

I meant too much for me as in I don't have enough power for it. I was reading these subs can take 1-3k more then what I have. That throws me off as of how much potential I am getting out of it with amp I am using.

No you're misunderstanding lol. Too much as in I don't have the proper equipment to get full potential out of it.

Ok, what vehicle and what electrical?

If you can make the box bigger and increase port area while maintaining enough length for low tuning, it'll be more efficient and will be fine on lower power.

Bigger boxes and more port area take less power to get loud because they're more efficient, but may not have as much bandwidth. Might be peaky too depending on specs.

Are you not happy with how loud it is or how it sounds? Or, are you just upset by the fact that you might not be getting everything out of the sub?

Selling the sub and buying a different problem will just cost you money. I'd take the Zv4 over all the options you listed, even on low power. Can always strap another amp in the future.

 

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basically subwoofers and enclosures are inherently inefficient when it comes to the final load and you will rise above your wired load due to various factors (think conservation of energy). if you want to know more feel free to read up on google, just understand that wiring to 1 ohm does not mean you will get 1 ohm power, you will get 2-3 ohm power in most circumstances.

Okay let me ask this, if i wire the sub parallel it will drop to .5 ohms, with what your'e talking about will that rise to around 1 ohm ?

 

[wew lad 5,000+ posts]

Okay let me ask this, if i wire the sub parallel it will drop to .5 ohms, with what your'e talking about will that rise to around 1 ohm ?

can't say, it depends. if your current rise (you will have to measure it) is high then you'll be fine wiring low, but if your rise is low i wouldnt go there without a big upgrade to your electrical.

 

[oxsign 5,000+ posts]

basically subwoofers and enclosures are inherently inefficient when it comes to the final load and you will rise above your wired load due to various factors (think conservation of energy). if you want to know more feel free to read up on google, just understand that wiring to 1 ohm does not mean you will get 1 ohm power, you will get 2-3 ohm power in most circumstances.

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No you're misunderstanding lol. Too much as in I don't have the proper equipment to get full potential out of it.

OK, I do understand this now. However, Just because you don't have the "power/amp" to push this sub doesn't mean you should get rid of it. It is a great sub and would sound great with that amp. Keep in mind 99% of the people on here (and that may include you) will continue to change their systems because they simply get use to it and want more or louder. I say your best bet is to simply trade your sub in for something with the right VC to get a final 1 ohm load. OR.... use that same sub/amp combo and if you have a strong enough electrical, run it at 05ohm. After rise and all you'll see around a 1.5-2ohm final load.

 

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Ok, what vehicle and what electrical?
If you can make the box bigger and increase port area while maintaining enough length for low tuning, it'll be more efficient and will be fine on lower power.

Bigger boxes and more port area take less power to get loud because they're more efficient, but may not have as much bandwidth. Might be peaky too depending on specs.

Are you not happy with how loud it is or how it sounds? Or, are you just upset by the fact that you might not be getting everything out of the sub?

Selling the sub and buying a different problem will just cost you money. I'd take the Zv4 over all the options you listed, even on low power. Can always strap another amp in the future.

I have a 09 VW CC, stock alt, battery was upgraded, big 3 soon. I am actually very disappointed, it was not loud, I didn't want to touch gains to much, left bass boost alone. I called and did the frequencies recommended from soundqubed. So I thought it had to do with the dvc option. To be honest I would love to keep it if I can get it to sound like I am expecting. So now I am stuck and wish I can resolve this without buying, selling, shipping, all that nonsense.

 

[adulbrich 5,000+ posts]

Okay let me ask this, if i wire the sub parallel it will drop to .5 ohms, with what your'e talking about will that rise to around 1 ohm ?

What's your electrical consist of?

can't say, it depends. if your current rise (you will have to measure it) is high then you'll be fine wiring low, but if your rise is low i wouldnt go there without a big upgrade to your electrical.

I see your point about rise and have said the same thing before too. Without measuring, it's hard to tell.

Really though, frequency is a variable too. Might have 4x rise at a peak frequency, but only have like a 1.1x rise at another frequency. With music being dynamic, some songs might be stressing the amp when wired low.

Idk, I was just thinking about it some more today