CVR vs Type-R

[cheeseburger35 10+ year member]

the 04 type r's are not as good as the 05 type r's

but he's not comparing the 05's the the cvr's he's comparing the 04's..

the cvr's out perform the 04 type r's but haven't heard the re-designed 05 type r's to say about them.. but i'd be willing to bet they're better.. however now they won't fit behind a seat in a pickup (single cab) !! they're too deep..

04 type r

 

[ighettoboyi 10+ year member]

wow rawr, you are gonna get flamed so hard, all i have to say is you're an idiot, regardless of whether the type r is better or not. the reasons you gave are ungrounded and you verbally attack more knowledgable people then you. LEAVE lol

 

[Polecat 5,000+ posts]

I didn't actually say anything you dip*** polecat, I highlighted some things.
I spelled winner incorrectly on purpose, you really lack any senses at all nevertheless humor, however the features listed is enough to prove that the type r will most likely fair better than the cvr, the type r is just under the type x series, alpines highest ranked class of subwoofers, the new 2005 type r got alot of it's features from the type x subwoofer, it coming close to just lacking the same power and quality of the type x series, but with the new HARMS surrond pushes the xmax up ever higher for the highest spl and control you could get out of that quality of speakers...not even metioning the rest of the features...

Honestly, whats wrong with you?

WINNAR

I know you didn't write that, I can see it's a simple copy and paste anyone can do.....you highlighted some features you see better, without knowing the users application...so there is nothing wrong with me, //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif but you cannot shove your personal preference, or opinion, down anyones throat. Like I said, and will say, again, the posters ears is the best judge...not specs, because in a real world enviroment, things change in the car, and what the person prefers.

Then again, you menation the 05 woofer, which the poster did not ask about 05, he said 04, but you push the new 05 features...so what's wrong with me??? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

and again, you mention the HARMS surround is higher, so more blah, blah...is that your testing, or what you read? Not to also mention, XMAX has, or cannot be determined, without knowing his P-O-W-E-R

my post is done...I answered to the original question,IMHO, and I have no time for petty arguements.

 

[B_Master_Flash 10+ year member]

Ithe new HARMS surrond pushes the xmax up ever higher for the highest spl and control you could get

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif I'm speechless

Losar

 

[Rawr-DQ 10+ year member]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif I'm speechless
Losar

"Originally Posted by Rawr-DQ

Ithe new HARMS surrond pushes the xmax up ever higher for the highest spl and control you could get"

That's some bullsh*t, what do you do, work for the news? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

"I spelled winner incorrectly on purpose, you really lack any senses at all nevertheless humor, however the features listed is enough to prove that the type r will most likely fair better than the cvr, the type r is just under the type x series, alpines highest ranked class of subwoofers, the new 2005 type r got alot of it's features from the type x subwoofer, it coming close to just lacking the same power and quality of the type x series, but with the new HARMS surrond pushes the linear excursion up ever higher for the highest spl and control you could get out of that quality of speakers...not even metioning the rest of the features..."

yeah, the only typo there is surround forgot a U, big deal. so wtf is "Ithe new"

That's your own typo *******. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/redface.gif.62fdbfe1a101588a808c4cff71bcb942.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[JoseMCeee 10+ year member]

dam all this over some 2 cents dot dot dot

haha. But for the original purpose of the thread, the only thing I disagree with Rawr is that the old Type Rs dont outperform the CVRs. Talkin about the OLD ones. From what seen/heard (in person) the cvrs sounded just as good and definatly louder. The Type Rs might have some upper hand on the lows but the CVRs dont just lay there. They are pounding. And for the new ones, you are seriously talkin like if you have them in your trunk right now. You cant just sit there and fart fire about how the new ones have Type X this and paper says this that. Calm down mayne. I say you get a pair first.

EDIT* Im having trouble reading your last post. What are you talking about?

 

[Rawr-DQ 10+ year member]

"funny that you can say it's better because of more power handling, without even knowing the original posters actual power.............."

"I didn't actually say anything you dip*** polecat, I highlighted some things."

"I know you didn't write that..."

Funny how you contradict yourself. And it doesn't matter what his "power" is, I'm going by the subwoofer properly powered, you get a subwoofer, then you get a amp to match.

*power wise* They have almost the same sensitivity (86.7,87) the sensitivity is basically how well the subwoofer responds to power, 300 watts to a very high sensitivity sub will push it harder than a sub with a lower sensitivity, seeing that the sensitivity is pretty much the same, the power handleing has a much larger difference. 400/800 and 500/1500, you can push more power into the alpine and it will hit much harder. The surround allows it to reach a higher linear excursion and also improves the quality.

Endith.

Edit, had it backwards, mb.

 

[JoseMCeee 10+ year member]

"funny that you can say it's better because of more power handling, without even knowing the original posters actual power.............."
"I didn't actually say anything you dip*** polecat, I highlighted some things."

"I know you didn't write that..."

Funny how you contradict yourself. And it doesn't matter what his "power" is, I'm going by the subwoofer properly powered, you get a subwoofer, then you get a amp to match.

*power wise* They have almost the same sensitivity (86.7,87) the sensitivity is basically how well the subwoofer responds to power, 300 watts to a very low sensitivity sub will push it harder than a sub with a higher sensitivity, seeing that the sensitivity is pretty much the same, the power handleing has a much larger difference. 400/800 and 500/1500, you can push more power into the alpine and it will hit much harder. The surround allows it to reach a higher XMAX and also improves the quality.

Endith.

And you yourself in person did this?

 

[Rawr-DQ 10+ year member]

dam all this over some 2 cents dot dot dot
haha. But for the original purpose of the thread, the only thing I disagree with Rawr is that the old Type Rs dont outperform the CVRs. Talkin about the OLD ones. From what seen/heard (in person) the cvrs sounded just as good and definatly louder. The Type Rs might have some upper hand on the lows but the CVRs dont just lay there. They are pounding. And for the new ones, you are seriously talkin like if you have them in your trunk right now. You cant just sit there and fart fire about how the new ones have Type X this and paper says this that. Calm down mayne. I say you get a pair first.

EDIT* Im having trouble reading your last post. What are you talking about?

I don't know about the old type r vs the cvrs, Someone said the old type r's were better than the 03 model cvrs, and I say that that new type r are better than the new cvr's. If you really want to find out, go get a cvr, and a kicker amp, and test it agaist the type r and a alpine amp.

You can tell through specs (to an extent) which sub will out perform another, it's a givin, just like how a 12" xxx will outperform an lighting audio 12", its'a givin. the xxx has a better quality build, handles more power, and has a larger magnet.

 

[JoseMCeee 10+ year member]

ok then. I gess i see your logic now. So your sayin that the 05 Type Rs will have more SPL than the 05 cvrs?

 

[Rawr-DQ 10+ year member]

And you yourself in person did this?

I had the sensitivity thing backwards, hard to keep focused on this crap, hopes this help though:

Sensitivity

Also referred to as efficiency (measured as SPL — sound pressure level), this specification is quoted in decibels (dB). The higher the number, the more efficient the subwoofer is at turning amplifier power into sound, and the louder it plays. A subwoofer rated 3 dB more than another will require only half the power to produce the same output.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

I had the sensitivity thing backwards, hard to keep focused on this crap, hopes this help though:
Sensitivity

Also referred to as efficiency (measured as SPL — sound pressure level), this specification is quoted in decibels (dB). The higher the number, the more efficient the subwoofer is at turning amplifier power into sound, and the louder it plays. A subwoofer rated 3 dB more than another will require only half the power to produce the same output.

That 'high' sensitivity bullshit IS only good in low powered setups.

 

[cheeseburger35 10+ year member]

If you really want to find out, go get a cvr, and a kicker amp, and test it agaist the type r and a alpine amp..

no that would determine the best sub/amp combo.. if you really want to test sub versus sub use the same amp for both subs... !!

 

[Rawr-DQ 10+ year member]

SPL and probaly quality since it is a subwoofer that favors sealed enclosures and has less distortion (surround again), ...yeah but a higher sensitivity, the high the efficiency, although sealed enclosures decrease efficiency....blah

 

[B_Master_Flash 10+ year member]

"Originally Posted by Rawr-DQIthe new HARMS surrond pushes the xmax up ever higher for the highest spl and control you could get"

That's some bullsh*t, what do you do, work for the news? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

"I spelled winner incorrectly on purpose, you really lack any senses at all nevertheless humor, however the features listed is enough to prove that the type r will most likely fair better than the cvr, the type r is just under the type x series, alpines highest ranked class of subwoofers, the new 2005 type r got alot of it's features from the type x subwoofer, it coming close to just lacking the same power and quality of the type x series, but with the new HARMS surrond pushes the xmax up ever higher for the highest spl and control you could get out of that quality of speakers...not even metioning the rest of the features..."

yeah, the only typo there is surround forgot a U, big deal. so wtf is "Ithe new"

That's your own typo *******. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/redface.gif.62fdbfe1a101588a808c4cff71bcb942.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Acutally I wasn't pointing out any typos, I was laughing that you think the surround is related to the xmax, but I guess it's easier to just call you an idiot.