$5000 sound deadener challenge

[Immacomputer 10+ year member]

Exactly what laws of physics does sound deadener break?

 

[DidUHearThat? 10+ year member]

from those ripoff artists like Ant of Secondskin Audio, Ricky boy from Rammat

I hope this douche understands he can be sued in court for making that claim.

 

[DownSouth954 10+ year member]

I like how he links to randi.org and sends him an e-mail... Like James Randi and the JREF gives a crap about a sound deadener challenge.

 

[GLN305 10+ year member]

This guy has always been the anti-whatever guy. He is against what works and swears whatever he tries needs to be the next trend in mobile audio. He just needs attention.

 

[DidUHearThat? 10+ year member]

I'm amused how the "challenge" will be judged from OUTSIDE the car. If the point is SQ, wouldn't you judge the SQ from inside the car? WhoTF judges SQ from outside the car?

What a retard.

...and I bet he uses a car that comes with factory deadening and claims it has "no deadening".

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

Exactly what laws of physics does sound deadener break?

You'll have to define "deadener." Ask 10 different people, you'll probably get 5 different answers. Deadener is mass loading. Deadener is peal n seal - it's all you need. Deadener is foam. On and on......

Even if we defined it as structural damping, we still only narrowed it down a little bit.

I think the guy has a point, but I'd be ****ed if he knew the in's and out's of the practice of effective sound containment. But, who knows and who cares.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

I hope this douche understands he can be sued in court for making that claim.

For what, exactly?

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

So, I'm confused. Is deadener worth it or not?
What's the deadener REALLY do? And what about most beliefs about deadener goes against the laws of physics?

I was just about to deaden my car, and I want to know that I'm not wasting my time. Is there a certain way it has to be done, for it to be done right? Or can I just add it to the metal?

Yes.

Read any thread started on it and you can find multiple examples. I'll give you one: constrained layer damping material is used for mass loading; that's it, nothing more. Someone already posted this nonsense already in this tread.

There's more effective ways and less effective ways. The common way is the shotgun approach. The benefit is you can err quite a bit on the "safe" side. The drawback is that you can waste your time, money and energy. Who LIKES to do automobile sound proofing? I think we will all agree that it's a PITA, yet necessary.

 

[DidUHearThat? 10+ year member]

For what, exactly?

Defamation

In law, defamation (also called calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. Slander refers to a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism.

Slander Per Se

The four (4) categories of slander per se are (i) accusing someone of a crime; (ii) alleging that someone has a foul or loathsome disease; (iii) adversely reflecting on a person’s fitness to conduct her business or trade; and (iv) imputing serious ****** misconduct (especially the chastity of a woman). Once again, all you would have to prove is that someone had published the statement to a third party. No proof of special damages is required.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and_libel

All states except Arizona, Arkansas, Mississippi, Missouri, and Tennessee recognize that some categories of statements are considered to be defamatory per se, such that people making a defamation claim for these statements do not need to prove that the statement was defamatory. In the common law tradition, damages for such statements are presumed and do not have to be proven. Traditionally, these per se defamatory statements include:

Allegations or imputations "injurious to another in their trade, business, or profession"

Allegations or imputations "of loathsome disease" (historically leprosy and sexually transmitted disease, now also including mental illness)

Allegations or imputations of "unchastity" (usually only in unmarried people and sometimes only in women)

Allegations or imputations of criminal activity (sometimes only crimes of moral turpitude)[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_defamation_law

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

All you have to do is listen to my truck all sealed up to see that deadening works.

You can hear my highs outside the car better than the bass. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

No reason for me to step up to his flawed challenge.

This guys does have a bone to pick with DIYMA, as many do, however unlike several people that have good reason to harbor angst, peter is different. Special perhaps.

He was a member of DIYMA felt the need to troll the forums posting racist and rude remarks as an AE named Jose Jiminez.

I called him out on it and he got pissy.

We went back and forth a few times. All I asked is that he stayed and played nice. He refused and asked me to ban him.

The best thing was what he said to me in the last PM..

"I am leaving now but if you want to talk, you know where my forum is.."

I mumbed to myself "no I don't actually".

I was actually stumped. I had no idea he had a forum.

I guess the rest of the world forgot to fill me in on it, and peter assumed that I paid attention to him on some level.

He still does I guess. I get an email or PM from someone every few days pointing out some stupid shit he is lamenting on about in his forum..

It is too bad too. He obviously knows a lot about 12 volt. He is just too angry and bitter to be of any value to anyone other than himself and few that think he is God..

If only he would direct his energy in to helping people, and explaining things in a way they are willing to listen to, he could be a very valuable member of the forums.

Tis a shame he has such a need to insult others in order to be right..

ANT

 

[donpisto 5,000+ posts]

People like him have serious issues and seems like some insecurities. He won't change his ways until he relieves himself of those insecurities and begins to realize that he can learn from others. Grudges, along with one's own self, is the big enemy to an individual. Seems like he's fighting a battle against himself and what he thinks to be others. It's easy to win when you are your own opponent.

 

[kovemaster559 5,000+ posts]

People like him have serious issues and seems like some insecurities. He won't change his ways until he relieves himself of those insecurities and begins to realize that he can learn from others. Grudges, along with one's own self, is the big enemy to an individual. Seems like he's fighting a battle against himself and what he thinks to be others. It's easy to win when you are your own opponent.

that hurts

 

[donpisto 5,000+ posts]

wheres that video of donpisto's G35 trunk install? that isnt enough proof it works????

Here ya go, directly from my install thread.

"It definitely passed the knocking test //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif. Here is a before video without deadener:

and here is the after video with one layer of deadener http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hig9ZouG2IY. I will probably add another layer of Damplifier Pro and I'll see if I have to do more than that once the setup is complete."

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

People like him have serious issues and seems like some insecurities. He won't change his ways until he relieves himself of those insecurities and begins to realize that he can learn from others. Grudges, along with one's own self, is the big enemy to an individual. Seems like he's fighting a battle against himself and what he thinks to be others. It's easy to win when you are your own opponent.

thats some pretty deep shit right there man