RAAMmat honest opinions and experiences.

[dan45hk 10+ year member]

Perhaps yhou should have followed through and read the link I listed in that reply.It would have been obvious which part of the quoted phrase I was referring to. I have since put that part in bold:

RAAMmat is great stuff. It does get a little messy but for the price, it CANNOT be beat. You will have PLENTY to use from one roll

See, I was commenting on the bold part. The part that I just got done typing an entire page to explain. A reply that the poster of that phrase did not bother to read.

Raammat is a good product but the statement for the price, it CANNOT be beat. is absolutely ludacris.There is more than enough info on this forum, in this thread an in the link that I provided to prove that statement wrong.

I was not bashing raammat at all, but rather the poster that came in to the 21st centruy and tried telling everyone that the world was flat, right after we took him on a boat around the f'ing world.

His quote "for the price it can not be beat" is far from ludicrous, you can't even see what you are doing, but as other people have posted they see it, and so do I and it's not good for your company. It's free advice, we are the guys buying your product. If you want to sell more, don't post negative things about a competitor that people here obviously like. Even if your product is that much better it is not professional to do this, it looks bad.

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

Zing!
Glad someone finally said it.

x2

BUT, he has used other ways of explaining that clearly point at SS as the best product, in almost every single one of his posts.

Best?

When have I ever claimed that Damplifier Pro is the best? Less than a few times that I can remember. I don't bash competitors. Ever. What I bash is the idea that more layers of inferior damper is better than fewer layers of superior one regardless of performacen and regardless of cost.

I hardly ever say that Second Skin is better. That is a claim for other people to make. I simply provide the facts. Trus, I do offer product specifications in regards to composite, foil, forumlation and such, but I don't go around telling people to buy my stuff.

Look around. Try to prove me wrong.

I offer factual Data.

I give you specs.

I offer my opinion.

But please show me on this forum where I claim that Damplifier Pro is the best?

 

[dan45hk 10+ year member]

SS rep, you say you provide the facts and that the other guys comment of RAAMat being the best for the money is ludicrous. Explain this to me then. If one layer of RAAMat stops the rattling in someone's car door, and that's all they want, wouldn't it be cheaper to use RAAMat than SS? Isn't one sheet of RAAMat cheaper than one sheet of SS? I think the point the other guy was making is that RAAMat works well enough for some people. If SS provides X% less vibration or rattling that may be irrelevant if that degree of dampening is not needed.

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

but think about this.
im no competitor. i dont need to have vacuum like quiet in my car. RAAmat will make a difference over stock, and i dont have the income to afford damplifier pro in any large quantity.

there is no saying that RAAMmat dosnt work. so if i can get twice or three times the amount for the same price as a little bit of damplifier, im going with the obvious choice.

And the logical choice in your example is the Damplifier. Right?

I am not saying that Raammat Does not work. It works fine, but for the price there is no denying that other products will work better and will save you money.

When I say the following sentence, I am not bashing Rick or Raammat. I am bashing the line of thinking that makes absolutely no sense!!!

Here goes.

2 layers of Raammat will prived less performance than 1 layer of Dynamat Extreme, Husmat, Stiger Road Kill, or cascade Vmax

You say you can get 3 layers of Raamat for the price of a little bit of Damplifier.

1. You are wrong on the prices.

First, Damplifier is only about 20% more expensive than Raammat, so how you plan on buying 3-5 time more raammat with 20% more money is beyond me.

2. You make it seem like 2 or 3 times as much raammat is awesome! Like it is something to celebrate! What you are fail to reailze is that you could have gotten better results from 1 layer of Dynamat Extreme, Husmat, Stiger Road Kill, Vmax or regular Damplifier and you would have saved money over the cost of Raammat.

Look guys. Rick is an awesome guy. Provides awesome customer service and has a very solid product. I am not trying to take anything away from that.

What I want you guys to look at is performace for your dollars, not just square footage for your dollars. There are plenty of good products out there. I am not saying that you have to go with Second Skin.

Dynamat Extreme is good and can be found on eBay for $100 plus shipping.

Hushmat is good.

Stinger Road Kill is good

Cascade Vmax is f'ing awesome!

Just do some research and try to take your goals in to consideration more so than your budget and your square footage.

ANT

 

[dan45hk 10+ year member]

SS rep, can you address my question please?

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

I used one layer of BXT on my doors and they went from sounding like a tin can to as quiet as my Mercedes. Now that's showing you an example for the group!

And you could of gotten the same results with about 1 sq foot of Cascade vmax Spread over the entire surface area of the doors, and ti would have cost you a whole lot less.

That is the point we are trying to make.

There is no need to cover 100% of the sheet metal

I would rather cover 50% of the entire car with a single layer of a superior product than 2 layers of an inferior product on 100% of the car surface.

It would cost me less and give me btter results.

 

[dan45hk 10+ year member]

1. You are wrong on the prices.

First, Damplifier is only about 20% more expensive than Raammat, so how you plan on buying 3-5 time more raammat with 20% more money is beyond me.

Is there some special discount I'm not aware of with SS? I just looked at your site 80 square feet of damplifier is $193.98 which comes out to $2.42 a square foot. The closest size in RAAMat is 62.5 square feet which is $118.96 that comes out to $1.90 a square foot. SS Damp, which is cheaper than Damp Pro is 27% more than RAAMat. So you would be paying almost 2/3 more for SS damplifier than RAAMat. If you only bought 62.5 square feet of SS it would come out to even more money per square foot.

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

so it works. good.
damplifier works too. very very well. it simply comes down to the fact that not everyone can afford it.

No being able to afford a damper based on price per sq foot it a total myth.

If you have $100 you should spend that $100 on the best product you can find. Rather than trying to get the most sq footage that you can find.

That being said, you can always look for a deal. No need to take the first offer you get. Shop around and get the most material you can, as long as it is a solid performing material.

I would rather use $100 worth of cascade vmax or hushmat than $100 worth of a roofing tape. I would obviously get less sq footage but remember, square footage is a worthless metric. It is all about performance, and in most cases $100 worth of an awesome product will out perofrm $200 worth of an inferior product.

ANT

 

[gotparts90 10+ year member]

1 layer of raamat and covered with liquid is awesome. so much better than te old peel and seal I used 10 years ago. I have used the butyl dynamat but have yet to use second skin products. Next time I may do liquid only because of how much easier it is to put in a trunk then mat. may still do some mat in the doors so I do not clog the drain holes.

 

[dan45hk 10+ year member]

And you could of gotten the same results with about 1 sq foot of Cascade vmax Spread over the entire surface area of the doors, and ti would have cost you a whole lot less.
That is the point we are trying to make.

There is no need to cover 100% of the sheet metal

I would rather cover 50% of the entire car with a single layer of a superior product than 2 layers of an inferior product on 100% of the car surface.

It would cost me less and give me btter results.

Better results depends on what you want, if it takes out enough vibration with one layer of RAAMat, and one layer of SS Damplifier takes out more it wouldn't make a difference to the customer and would cost them more. If that extra bit did make a difference to the customer then it would be worth it.

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

What are your scientific facts? My empirical evidence is that I tried BXT and it works well, I get no vibrations in my car that I can hear... it doesn't matter if one is better than the other on paper, if the outcome is the same or very close that's what counts. Looks like you are bias to SS.

You might not know this but John and I have a history.

To say that He is baised to Second SKin is to deny the truth.

The only thing foxpro5 is biased towards is old men that wear high heals and smoke cloves.

Here kitty kitty..

 

[dave_damage 10+ year member]

In my opinion you should quit posting and let your product and your satisfied customers do the talking. It's very unprofessional for a product owner to come on here and bash other products.

I was just thinking the same thing. I know what product I wont be using in my next install. Just dont know witch one I will //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

I used it, even with a thicker aluminum layer its still flimsy compared to the sheet metal you're putting it on. It's the butyl that stops vibrations. If you have a cymbal, what would be better, sticking a bunch of gum to it, or wrapping it in foil to stop it from making sound? What if you put a bunch of gum on it then wrapped it in foil, not much difference I bet.

Thicker or stronger foil will always constrain the butyl better than a thinner foil.

Butyl alone wil just just about nothing.

Do a google search on the phrase:

constrain layer damper

visco elastic constraint layer damper

CLD

VECLD

You will see what the foil is so important

ANT

 

[dan45hk 10+ year member]

You might not know this but John and I have a history.To say that He is baised to Second SKin is to deny the truth.

The only thing foxpro5 is biased towards is old men that wear high heals and smoke cloves.

Here kitty kitty..

It sure sounds biased when he said that RAAMat is not an alternative to SS. It's like saying a Camaro is not an alternative to a Corvette, yeah one is a little better and faster but some like the Camaro as it is and don't need that extra horsepower.

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

im not trying to argue data and all that.
if i need an amp, i have heard the reviews, votes have been tallied, and ill stand behind Sundown all day. Not riding dick, its simply superior IMO. damplifier is also superior. no doubt about it.

i simply cannot afford damp or damp pro for how much i need.

That is the thing Sanchito!!

You have no idea how much you need. You really don't.

What you need to think about is what you want to accomplish.

Not how much you need.

If you have 200 sq feet of area in your car, you have 2 options.

You can either spend your money on 200 sq feet a cheap product

or

You can spend your money on 150 sq feet of A more expensive product.

With the cheaper product you will cover all 200 sq feet and get good results.

With the more expensive product you will have some spots that are missing material but over all you will cover about 75% of the surface in an even manor.

Which do you think will do a better job?

100% coverage of a cheap product

or

75% coverage of a better product?

BTW, you are comparing Raammat to Damplifier Pro. This is not apples to apples.

You should be comparing our regular Damplifier to Raamamt. They are close in terms of design and there is only a 20% difference in price.

ANT