RAAMmat honest opinions and experiences.

[Sanchito 10+ year member]

but think about this.

im no competitor. i dont need to have vacuum like quiet in my car. RAAmat will make a difference over stock, and i dont have the income to afford damplifier pro in any large quantity.

there is no saying that RAAMmat dosnt work. so if i can get twice or three times the amount for the same price as a little bit of damplifier, im going with the obvious choice.

 

[dan45hk 10+ year member]

. It's only comperable to DP because both are shiny if you lay them out in the sun! Anyone who's used both will tell you this all day long - they don't need to be a materials scientist, either.
IMHO, RAAMmat BXT it's not even an alternative to Damp because the specs are not the same. [

It's only comparable to DP because it's shiny? They both do the same thing, if DP is better it may be slightly better in actual performance. I doubt if you do two identical car's with BXT on one and DP on the other than you would notice a difference . Just from this thread there are enough people that say it works well. Saying that BXT isn't an alternative to Damp because the specs aren't the same? Are you serious? What are you smoking? I don't think anyone agrees with you on those statements.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

Wouldnt sludge be a better product though then damp pro?

For what job?

Where in the vehicle?

It's too vague of a question, IME.

Its heavier and im assuming it dries harder then damp pro would be...

It's heavier when all the water is still in it, but I doubt Sludge or any of the Spectrum formulas are more massive per unit whatever once it's fully cured over 30 days. But Ant would have to answer that one b/c I don't know the answer for sure.

Harder when it comes to VE damper is not necessarly better or worse. It depends.

If I had to put up some cash at which would be a more effective broadband damper (regardless of intended application, temperature, environment, etc)...a fully cured liquid damper vs a high-quality CLD mat....I'd bet on the CLD mat. But again, one is an extensional damper and one is a constrained layer damper system - both have their own best case secarios for use.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

80 ft^2 Damp Pro = $3.62 per ft^2 (0.65 lb per ft^2) 6 mil aluminum

125 ft^2 Raamat = $1.75 ft^2 (0.35 lb per ft^2) 2 mil aluminum

So Damp pro is about 2x more expensive per ft^2 but has THREE times the aluminum thickness and is nearly twice as heavy.

So... which product is really more expensive by the time you get equal performance ?

This is what Ant tried to explain earlier.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

It's only comparable to DP because it's shiny? They both do the same thing, if DP is better it may be slightly better in actual performance. I doubt if you do two identical car's with BXT on one and DP on the other than you would notice a difference . Just from this thread there are enough people that say it works well. Saying that BXT isn't an alternative to Damp because the specs aren't the same? Are you serious? What are you smoking? I don't think anyone agrees with you on those statements.

Good. Who EVER agrees on the undisputed scientific facts when it comes to these products? Anyone? Ever? No. Because 90% of them are sold to people who don't have clue as to what they do and how they work. Thanks for stepping up and being an example for the group! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[dan45hk 10+ year member]

80 ft^2 Damp Pro = $3.62 per ft^2 (0.65 lb per ft^2)125 ft^2 Raamat = $1.75 ft^2 (0.35 lb per ft^2)

So Damp pro is about 2x more expensive per ft^2 but has THREE times the aluminum thickness and is nearly twice as heavy.

So... which product is really more expensive by the time you get equal performance ?

This is what Ant tried to explain earlier.

So you think it's the aluminum that stops the panels from vibrating? How does that work?

 

[dan45hk 10+ year member]

Good. Who EVER agrees on the undisputed scientific facts when it comes to these products? Anyone? Ever? No. Because 90% of them are sold to people who don't have clue as to what they do and how they work. Thanks for stepping up and being an example for the group! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

What are your scientific facts? My empirical evidence is that I tried BXT and it works well, I get no vibrations in my car that I can hear... it doesn't matter if one is better than the other on paper, if the outcome is the same or very close that's what counts. Looks like you are bias to SS.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

What will flex more... a thin panel or a thick panel ?

You also have nearly 2x the mass per ft^2 with Damplifier Pro on top of the extra rigidity provide by the aluminum backing.

PS: I have used 3-4 rolls of Raamat BXT as well as most every other dampener on the market today. Second Skin is simply a superior product.

 

[dan45hk 10+ year member]

I used one layer of BXT on my doors and they went from sounding like a tin can to as quiet as my Mercedes. Now that's showing you an example for the group!

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

I used one layer of BXT on my doors and they went from sounding like a tin can to as quiet as my Mercedes. Now that's showing you an example for the group!

I don't think anyone is saying Raamat does nothing - because it does. I've used it and it reduced vibrations, sure. If it didn't nobody would buy it.

But... performance to the $ Second Skin Pro is still ahead of the pack when you figure in the effectiveness per ft^2 and not JUST the cost per ft^2.

 

[dan45hk 10+ year member]

What will flex more... a thin panel or a thick panel ?
You also have nearly 2x the mass per ft^2 with Damplifier Pro on top of the extra rigidity provide by the aluminum backing.

PS: I have used 3-4 rolls of Raamat BXT as well as most every other dampener on the market today. Second Skin is simply a superior product.

Aluminum is one of the lightest and most flexible metals, if it was the rigidity why use butyl? Just lay down some sheet metal on the flat areas with adhesive... wouldn't that be a lot cheaper and work better by what you are saying?

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

80 ft^2 Damp Pro = $3.62 per ft^2 (0.65 lb per ft^2) 6 mil aluminum125 ft^2 Raamat = $1.75 ft^2 (0.35 lb per ft^2) 2 mil aluminum

So Damp pro is about 2x more expensive per ft^2 but has THREE times the aluminum thickness and is nearly twice as heavy.

So... which product is really more expensive by the time you get equal performance ?

This is what Ant tried to explain earlier.

I think that's a pretty good way to look at it and a good side to side eval with some math breakdown. But....there's always a "but" //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif ...

Fact: heavier doesn't = more damping

Fact: thicker foil doesn't = more damping.

Fact: Less coverage with a more effective CLD mat will outperform full coverage (even multi-layering) with an inferior CLD mat.

On on the other hand...

Fact: damping performance improves with muti-layering CLD mat products.

So if you go by the RAAMmat creed of "killing vibrations" by multi -layering Rick's product *should* give you better performance than a single layer of something like Dynamat Extreme, DP, etc. How MANY layers? and to what DEGREE? and is this ECONOMICALLY the best?? I don't know. This is why Rick preaches "keep going till the substrate is 'dead' by using the knock test." There are several things wrong with this.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

Aluminum is one of the lightest and most flexible metals, if it was the rigidity why use butyl? Just lay down some sheet metal on the flat areas with adhesive... wouldn't that be a lot cheaper and work better by what you are saying?

You must have missed the part about mass as well as aluminum thickness.

 

[dan45hk 10+ year member]

I don't think anyone is saying Raamat does nothing - because it does. I've used it and it reduced vibrations, sure. If it didn't nobody would buy it.
But... performance to the $ Second Skin Pro is still ahead of the pack when you figure in the effectiveness per ft^2 and not JUST the cost per ft^2.

Foxpro5 said RAAMat is not even an alternative to DP, that is BS. I'm not saying RAAMat is better but for the money it can't be beat and it probably works well enough for a majority of people that ant to dampen their cars. Like I said I've used SS, BXT, and Dynamat Xtreme so I have experience with all three and they are all good.

 

[Sanchito 10+ year member]

I used one layer of BXT on my doors and they went from sounding like a tin can to as quiet as my Mercedes. Now that's showing you an example for the group!

so it works. good.

damplifier works too. very very well. it simply comes down to the fact that not everyone can afford it.

in an audio set-up, i dont skimp on areas i HAVE to have. i get the best amp i can afford for my application, and the best sub, HU, comps, etc, i can afford.

so im going to get the best product i can afford to do my application. which would be RAAM