How Many of You Are SAVED?

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hell for all we know MJ could be the mother ****ing resurected jesus dude
If that's all you know then it's because you've choosen not to look into it. It's not because the evidence isn't there.

Many more educated minds have sought to prove that Jesus or his disciples some how faked his death and resurection. None have been able to do it.

 
That's admirable, believe me. I'm not belittling being a good person or having a good heart. But it's not up to the creation to tell the creator what should be "good enough". God's not trying to argue with you and niether am I. He know's NONE of us could be "good enough" that's why he came and did it Himself. That way His perfect love for us and His perfect justice for sin could both be satisfied. It's not condemnation and it's not work, it's a gift. I'm not trying to beat you with it, just help you see it for what it is.

 
im not saved nor will i get saved nor will i ever believe in god.....it's even worse the Santa Clause.....same concept..... just adults actually believe it....stupid ppl

That's like saying that gravity is stupid. Dude the evidence is all around you. Despite how you feel about God or religion, the more science learns the more the only logical explanation left is intelligent design. To say there's nothing more then us just flys in the face of common sense. You use the term stupid, I just call it willful ignorance. No offence bro, but just cuz you don't want to believe in something doesn't mean it isn't there.

 
That's like saying that gravity is stupid. Dude the evidence is all around you. Despite how you feel about God or religion, the more science learns the more the only logical explanation left is intelligent design. To say there's nothing more then us just flys in the face of common sense. You use the term stupid, I just call it willful ignorance. No offence bro, but just cuz you don't want to believe in something doesn't mean it isn't there.

your an idiot sir....you make assumtions....I never said i didn't want to believe.....I said the way I looked at it was like Santa Claus....And you also pretty easily persuaded.....WHAT EVIDENCE other then word of mouth and UNPROVABLE things there is NONE!!!!! And i don't hink there is or isn't a god...there is NO proof for or against because it is faith and faith only. so honestly dude you need to go back to preachin school b/c its not christianly to ****in attack ppl b/c of what they believe.......it takes a pretty weak person to be so easily persuaded.....not me...i need proof.

 
your an idiot sir....you make assumtions....I never said i didn't want to believe.....I said the way I looked at it was like Santa Claus....And you also pretty easily persuaded.....WHAT EVIDENCE other then word of mouth and UNPROVABLE things there is NONE!!!!! And i don't hink there is or isn't a god...there is NO proof for or against because it is faith and faith only. so honestly dude you need to go back to preachin school b/c its not christianly to ****in attack ppl b/c of what they believe.......it takes a pretty weak person to be so easily persuaded.....not me...i need proof.

You refered to people who believe in God as "stupid". Now you're saying I am attacking you? I have refered to specific evidence for the validity of the Bible and the validity of Jesus Christ. I have listed specific resources where these facts and the physical evidence behind them can be studied. Yet you say I'm making "assumptions", that there is no "evidence other then word of mouth", and the things I speak of are "unproveable". Yet I haven't brought up anything that I can recall that hasn't already been proven. Have you read the material I've mentioned and can point to evidence to the counter to be able to accuse it of being "no evidence"? I don't think it's me who is making groundless statements.... which is why I choose the term "willful ignorance". It's not an insult, it is an obsevation. If you feel like I'm attacking you I apologize. I thought two adults were sharing their beliefs and challenging one another to think about things we may not have considered before.

It's been my experience that the general public has swallowed a load of crap when it comes to these subjects. Most believe something because it made sense in their head or they heard it once on T.V. and it sounded reasonable. It is rare that someone has actually read the scientific findings for themselves to know what has been discovered and made an educated foundation for their beliefs. Do you think I would know the facts I know if I was easily persuaded? How do you 'spose I came about learning the things I've mentioned in this thread? I've had my own doubts I wanted answers to. People have asked me things I couldn't answer, and made me wonder the answer for myself. So, I've done some research. Don't get me wrong, I'm no expert by a long shot, but that doesn't mean I have no education at all in this area. I'm just sharing what I've learned, and the confirmed facts at that.

You do make a very legitimate point. Regardless how much evidence there is or isn't God is, and will always be, something we accept by faith. His word even says faith is the only way to please God. Because He is unseen, there will never be test-tubable proof (I think I just invented a word!). But, like the wind which is also unseen, we can see and feel it's affects and know it is there. God is no different. My life has changed since I quit going through the motions of religion and realized He is real and I can have a real relationship with Him. I know hundreds, literally, who can say the same thing. That's all the proof I needed; even without all the physical scientifically proven evidence that points to Him... that's just a bonus, and conversation starter for me. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Dude, I'm not trying to insult you or attack you, I'm just trying to make you think.

 
fraksurred do you study apologetics? just curious
i have a question for those who think we came from monkeys. we have monkeys now and we have us, what happened to everyone in between?
Yes I've studied some apologetics along with other things. I enjoy material that helps you to share what you believe, but I don't like studies that seem to try to show you how to munipulate people into seeing things your way. So I'm leery about saying I've "studied apologetics". I think I've already shown in this thread that for whatever knowledge I may have, I'm still learning how to share it without making people feel like I'm attacking them or what they believe. I know a lot of "stuff", now if I could just figure people out! LOL!

BTW, evolutionists have long given up on the idea we came from monkeys. They moved to birds, then some variation of the Llama I think (not current on that one, lol). Eventually the evidence doesn't support their theory, so they hypothesize a new one. Their biggest obstical right now is the bulk of the most reliable evidence points to every living thing kind of erupting all at once. Hence the Big Bang theory. There is a stark lack of evidence for gradual changes from one species to the next, and no evidence whatsovever for "transitional" species (like a fish with feet or lizard with gills). However there is a plethera of evidence of all the species existing from the beginning. So much for primordial ooze. You can find all of this, including cases from both sides of the scientific community, at www.answersingenesis.org. They put out a magazine called "Creation" that I read occasionally.

 
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