Everything is a blur.. sq sub choices

[FalconXtreme 10+ year member]

isn't anything under about 22hz not able to be heard to the human ear??

 

[wags 10+ year member]

I highly recommend a 12O for that many watts as well as the need for sQ. Mine hits right on, no overhang, good spl, sounds just like the artist is playing the bass guitar right in front of me in most live songs, etc. My friend heard both of them the other day and almost shit his pants on how good it sounded. He kept asking me if i competed (I guess alot of people locally run cheapo noname brands they buy off ebay).

 

[B0mberman 10+ year member]

isn't anything under about 22hz not able to be heard to the human ear??

It is 15 hz for a person with really good hearing. Anything lower than that won't be picked up by our ears

 

[Mark_ab 5,000+ posts]

I think that the none of those are SQ subs except the JL audio. But i would not reccomed that u buy those.Get something like MB Quart or an SQ oriented company.

Do you have the slightest idea what you're talking about?

I'm guessing a resounding NO from your comments above.

 

[Zylo 10+ year member]

Do you really know how low 15-10hz is?
Unless you listen to cannon blasts for fun, you'll never go down that low with 99% of music.

Gotta love Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/banghead.gif.8606515f668c74f6de0281deb475b6fd.gif :thumbs_up

I know its low, I just want as low as I can go.. rap/techno is my main squeeze //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif 15hz is over kill, I know, but LOVE that deep bass!! How much emphasis should I place on T/S parameter F3/Fs? I just need something that can hit all the low notes that my bro's Edesigns 12O + 1.5 ft^3 box can't hit.. obviously a larger box will offer lower extension, but I am not sure how much.

 

[Zylo 10+ year member]

Honestly, most of the "audiophile" subs are a waste of money, IMO. They do a good job, but with such unremarkable displacement levels, they are going to have MORE distortion than many of the other mentioned drivers, despite what their marketing might try and tell you...

When you speak of audiophile, which drivers are you talking about? The Adire/D2/XXX? or the Focal, Velodyne, Aliante, etc???

 

[awalbert88 10+ year member]

If you're just looking to get stupid low, then a PG Cyclone or Adire Tumult are the two options that come to mind. However, please understand that there is very, very little music with bass below 20hz (the average cut-off for human hearing). The Cyclone is impossible to find (unless you're Jmac.. the bastard ), but the Tumult is an option. I really wouldn't recommend it in a car audio application, however, because you'll need a lot of careful tuning to get that sub to reproduce the "upper" bass frequencies with enough SPL. For pure SQ in a car audio setting, the W7 is the top of the line, really, but the pricetag makes it a purchase only for those with the money (unlike me, who stupidly spent an entire paycheck on one).

The Brahma or Tumult are probably your best options here (and they're not too hard on the wallet, either).

 

[Zylo 10+ year member]

Well, after some thinking, I think I want to go with dual 12" subs instead of a 15"

Auditioned some JL's before coming home tonight... (again, anyways) two 12" W3v2's and a single 15" W3. Took some Crystal Method and KM Kings up and cranked away. The dual 12's walked all over the 15 in both deep bass and SQ. That 15W3 was kinda sloppy, IMO. However, it could be a bad setup/box. (was a local car audio shop demo room)

The 12W3v2's sound great, and I would have no qualms buying them (179.99 apiece) but if there is better out there, then I want to have it, ****it! lol //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[16hz lover 10+ year member]

Well, after some thinking, I think I want to go with dual 12" subs instead of a 15"
Auditioned some JL's before coming home tonight... (again, anyways) two 12" W3v2's and a single 15" W3. Took some Crystal Method and KM Kings up and cranked away. The dual 12's walked all over the 15 in both deep bass and SQ. That 15W3 was kinda sloppy, IMO. However, it could be a bad setup/box. (was a local car audio shop demo room)

The 12W3v2's sound great, and I would have no qualms buying them (179.99 apiece) but if there is better out there, then I want to have it, ****it! lol //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

After hearing Magnums and W7's in several setups, the W7 is tight for a JL, but not nearly as articulate or musical as the D2's. A friend also commented on the W7 " boomy little sucker isn't it". You seem to want SQ in a big way, 2 magnum's would give you all that and more.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

Magnum D2s are awesome SQ subs...

PS: Brahma 15s work great with low power... ran a USX-2150 bridged on mine for a while as an experiment, it performed quite well.

 

[Mark_ab 5,000+ posts]

If offered in a 15" over a 12 (pertaining to capable drivers) I would always choose the 15. The only reason I can think of for not getting it is space; but who the hell needs trunk room? Nobody, that's who. Except golfers and housewives.

 

[Electrodynamic 10+ year member]

Theoretically the threshold of our hearing is 20 Hz - 20k Hz. Women can typically hear frequencies higher and lower than men can. Men's hearing usually doesn't extend past 16k Hz very well - I can't hear very well past 18k Hz. I can tell there is something going on past 18k Hz, but there's definately not a clearly defined note up there to me. I think a lot of people on this forum would be surprised with the results if they were to take a hearing test. On the low-end, I can hear down to ~22 Hz before the note disappears and it's becomes a pressure difference to me.

BUT, sub sonics kick a$$! There are few things better than sitting in your car/home and having things around you start shaking before you hear any music. And going back to a previous post about weird speakers - the Hartley 24" sub reproduced sub sonics better than any other sub I've heard to date. Sound-wise it had zero distortion down in the extreme lows and was incredibly accurate. Too bad it didn't get very loud. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 

[Zylo 10+ year member]

Theoretically the threshold of our hearing is 20 Hz - 20k Hz. Women can typically hear frequencies higher and lower than men can. Men's hearing usually doesn't extend past 16k Hz very well - I can't hear very well past 18k Hz. I can tell there is something going on past 18k Hz, but there's definately not a clearly defined note up there to me. I think a lot of people on this forum would be surprised with the results if they were to take a hearing test. On the low-end, I can hear down to ~22 Hz before the note disappears and it's becomes a pressure difference to me.
BUT, sub sonics kick a$$! There are few things better than sitting in your car/home and having things around you start shaking before you hear any music. And going back to a previous post about weird speakers - the Hartley 24" sub reproduced sub sonics better than any other sub I've heard to date. Sound-wise it had zero distortion down in the extreme lows and was incredibly accurate. Too bad it didn't get very loud. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif I like this guy... he reminds me of myself //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/banghead.gif.8606515f668c74f6de0281deb475b6fd.gif

Nick, does your sub reproduce the sub-sonic frequencies well, or would that be a job of a 15" sub?

 

[Electrodynamic 10+ year member]

We can shake the steering columb on my dad's SUV using the stomps on Jurassic Lunch (Telarc Demo CD - I belive the first stomp is ~14 seconds into the track) with 1 sealed Magnum and less than 600 watts. The stomps are definately sub sonic, but I'm not sure what frequency they are centered at. The CD itself, however, has a warning on it about containing information as low as 8 hz. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif The Magnum will also reproduce 16 Hz organ fundamentals without any problem. Just ask anyone else on the forum that runs them; Jake, Kevin, Noah, Mark, etc. I'm sure they would be more than willing to put their 2 cents worth in. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

BTW: I see that you're from Newark Ohio. I used to live in Newark until I moved down here (NC) in 1992. What part of Newark do you live in?

 

[Zylo 10+ year member]

We can shake the steering columb on my dad's SUV using the stomps on Jurassic Lunch (Telarc Demo CD - I belive the first stomp is ~14 seconds into the track) with 1 sealed Magnum and less than 600 watts. The stomps are definately sub sonic, but I'm not sure what frequency they are centered at. The CD itself, however, has a warning on it about containing information as low as 8 hz. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif The Magnum will also reproduce 16 Hz organ fundamentals without any problem. Just ask anyone else on the forum that runs them; Jake, Kevin, Noah, Mark, etc. I'm sure they would be more than willing to put their 2 cents worth in. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif
BTW: I see that you're from Newark Ohio. I used to live in Newark until I moved down here (NC) in 1992. What part of Newark do you live in?

Well, I don't really live IN newark, I work at the Licking County JVS on Price Road (north 21st), but I really live in Buckeye Lake, Ohio, real close to Captain Woody's and Papa Boo's //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I just reference Nerk, cuz its more recognizable... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

hmm.. the magnums are getting more marketable //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

crap... looks like i'm just gonna have to buy 2 D2's and a Brahma and do head-to-head tests, lol. The decision keeps getting harder and harder to make //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif