CVR vs Type-R

[Rawr-DQ 10+ year member]

Model CVR12 (Kicker CompVR 03CVR124)

Outer Frame Diameter, in (cm) 12 1/2 (31.8)

Nominal Impedance [Zn], ohm [per coil] 2 or 4

Power Handling Watts, Peak (RMS) 800 (400)

Sensitivity [sPLo], dB @ 1W, 1m 86.7

Effective Frequency Range, Hz 25-500

Mounting Depth, in (cm) 6 3/16 (15.7)

Hole Cut-Out Diameter, in (cm) 11 1/8 (28.3)

Equivalent Volume [Vas], ft3 (L) 3.37 (95.37)

Net Displacement, in3 (cc) 122.1 (2001)

Moving Mass [Mms], oz (g) 5.52 (156.4)

Magnet Weight, oz (kg) 47.05 (1.334)

Doesn't mention year on the site...hmm.

800rms and 1000peak doesn't make much sense,

if it was 800 rms, then it would be more like 1200peak. or it is just really weird

I'd go with the Alpine 05' Type R anyway.

Kicker CompVR 05CVR124

the "05"CVR124 in the model number being the year.

05"CVR"124 the subwoofer model.

05CVR"12" being the size.

05CVR12"4" being the ohm rating.

Didn't find and 04 model, but did find a 03,05.

Here we go, thankyou crutchfield:

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-iwQl4lbgSXB/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=67700&I=2065C12VR4

Oh and yeah, the 800/1000 is WRONG. it's only 400/800....blah blah blah,

the alpine is a much better woofer, but it does cost 50$ more.

But on a side note, I'm wondering why he listed the 04" alpine, when there is a 05" model that cost the same?

 

[Polecat 5,000+ posts]

Like I said, I would look into it, and yes, I was wrong...too many emails, too many things going on, so my bad.

But like I have stated to the poster, listen...because to some, they may prefer a sound many others don't...

some like you, Rawr-DQ like the Type R better, as well as you like Boss and Legacy, others, perfer otherwise.

Whcih my take on that, is to each his own, and I have no problem with that.

 

[Rawr-DQ 10+ year member]

Actually I don't like legacy or boss, I rather have a higher quality amp, I went with a cheaper amp to cut corners. The alpines I have sound alright, but the new 05" vs the kicker 05" cvr, it would pretty much kill it. The 04" alpine would be pretty close, but you get what you pay for.

The cvr is just a cost effective woofer, ...blahblahblahb...

Sorry for being a bit of a jerk, but I was just trying to make sure Alpine2005 got the right info.

/end off topic

 

[Polecat 5,000+ posts]

I seriously doubt it would kill it, but you can have your opinion...

and I think Alpine2005 can decide himself, without expert opinions.

 

[Echo42987 10+ year member]

I don't think the Kicker would be killed by a alpine sub. As bein' an owner of the Type-R's before I believe they are both in the same ball park. You pay the extra $50 mainly because of the name, alpine is a bigger player then Kicker. But I would say the Kicker 05 and the Alpine 05 are right about in the same ball park and you probably actually won't hear much of a difference. You'll probably get more SPL and output from the Kicker CVR though.

So tell us what you end up doin' ne ways, intersted in hearing the final results

 

[Rawr-DQ 10+ year member]

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Kicker 2005 05CVR124, CVR 12"

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Maximum power, wiring flexibility, and a round-shaped sub from Kicker. Put them together, and you've got the "Very Radical" CompVR. The 05CVR124 is a 12" dual voice coil sub that handles the most power of any of Kicker's round-shaped pounders.

The CompVR sub features a rigid, injection-molded polymineral cone that'll stand up to the demands of your favorite low tones. Add Kicker's famous Inverted Structural Dome, and you have terrific durability and reliability.

The hyperextended, vented pole piece and back plate are molded as a single piece for outstanding heat transfer and cone travel. Perimeter venting in the non-resonant steel basket helps to keep the sub running cool. Dual 4-ohm voice coils add versatility to the way you wire your system.

Note: If you are wiring this DVC sub for lower impedance, make sure that your amp is compatible. Most car amplifiers are stable down to 2 ohms in standard mode, or 4 ohms in bridged operation.

Key Features:

» 12" sub with dual 4-ohm voice coils

» injection-molded polymineral cone

» double-stitched, foam-ribbed Santoprene rubber surround

» frequency response: 25-500 Hz

» power handling: 50-400 watts RMS

» peak power: 800 watts

» sensitivity: 86.7 dB

» top-mount depth: 6-5/16"

» sealed box volume: 1.0-4.6 cu. ft.

» ported box volume: 1.75-2.25 cu. ft.

» Recommended Q-Logic Box Type: 2,3

» warranty: 1 year

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Alpine 2005 SWR-1242D, Type R 12"

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Big and bad and built for heavy-duty sound, Alpine's SWR-1242D 12" subwoofer delivers impact bass that you can hear and feel. Alpine has taken the best features from its previous SWR Series subs and added the hottest technology for ground-pounding power and superb accuracy.

The pulp cone has been reinforced with Kevlar® (the material used in bulletproof vests) for extra rigidity, so it won't buckle under hard play. A rubber surround helps to maximize cone travel for deep bass, while withstanding the decay that can destroy a speaker. Read more

Key Features:

» 12" component subwoofer

» Kevlar-reinforced pulp cone

» cast aluminum frame with perimeter venting

» dual 4-ohm voice coils

» frequency response: 24-500 Hz

» power handling: 50-500 watts RMS

» peak power: 1,500 watts

» sensitivity: 87 dB

» sealed box volume: 0.7-1.0 cu. ft.

» ported box volume: 0.75-1.75 cu. ft.

» Recommended Q-Logic Box Type: none

» warranty: 1 year

"Alpine Type-R subwoofers are designed with HAMR Engineering to deliver tighter, accurate bass. A multi-stage Thermal Management System and Aluminum Airflow Motor Cover provide better airflow cooling for maximum performance, With the precision-crafted SWR-1242D (12", 4ohm + 4ohm), you'll be able to handle ground-pounding, long-lasting bass and complement any system for awesome sound quality. Add another dimension to the sound, and feel your music!"

• Frequency Response:

24Hz – 500Hz

• Kevlar Reinforced Pulp Cone

• Custom Cast Aluminum Frame with Integrated Perimeter Venting and Heat Transfer Plate

• Dual Voice Coil Design

• Mirrored Progressive Nomex ® Spiders with Reinforced Layer Integrated Tinsel Leads

• Compound Radius Curve (CRC) Motor Structure

• Multi-Stage Thermal Management System

• HAMR Surround and Concealed Mount Gasket

• Aluminum Airflow Motor Cover

• Insert Push Terminals with One-sided Layout

• Designed and Engineered in the USA

WINNAR

 

[Polecat 5,000+ posts]

---------------------------------------------------------------Kicker 2005 05CVR124, CVR 12"

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Maximum power, wiring flexibility, and a round-shaped sub from Kicker. Put them together, and you've got the "Very Radical" CompVR. The 05CVR124 is a 12" dual voice coil sub that handles the most power of any of Kicker's round-shaped pounders.

The CompVR sub features a rigid, injection-molded polymineral cone that'll stand up to the demands of your favorite low tones. Add Kicker's famous Inverted Structural Dome, and you have terrific durability and reliability.

The hyperextended, vented pole piece and back plate are molded as a single piece for outstanding heat transfer and cone travel. Perimeter venting in the non-resonant steel basket helps to keep the sub running cool. Dual 4-ohm voice coils add versatility to the way you wire your system.

Note: If you are wiring this DVC sub for lower impedance, make sure that your amp is compatible. Most car amplifiers are stable down to 2 ohms in standard mode, or 4 ohms in bridged operation.

Key Features:

» 12" sub with dual 4-ohm voice coils

» injection-molded polymineral cone

» double-stitched, foam-ribbed Santoprene rubber surround

» frequency response: 25-500 Hz

» power handling: 50-400 watts RMS

» peak power: 800 watts

» sensitivity: 86.7 dB

» top-mount depth: 6-5/16"

» sealed box volume: 1.0-4.6 cu. ft.

» ported box volume: 1.75-2.25 cu. ft.

» Recommended Q-Logic Box Type: 2,3

» warranty: 1 year

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Alpine 2005 SWR-1242D, Type R 12"

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Big and bad and built for heavy-duty sound, Alpine's SWR-1242D 12" subwoofer delivers impact bass that you can hear and feel. Alpine has taken the best features from its previous SWR Series subs and added the hottest technology for ground-pounding power and superb accuracy.

The pulp cone has been reinforced with Kevlar® (the material used in bulletproof vests) for extra rigidity, so it won't buckle under hard play. A rubber surround helps to maximize cone travel for deep bass, while withstanding the decay that can destroy a speaker. Read more

Key Features:

» 12" component subwoofer

» Kevlar-reinforced pulp cone

» cast aluminum frame with perimeter venting

» dual 4-ohm voice coils

» frequency response: 24-500 Hz

» power handling: 50-500 watts RMS

» peak power: 1,500 watts

» sensitivity: 87 dB

» sealed box volume: 0.7-1.0 cu. ft.

» ported box volume: 0.75-1.75 cu. ft.

» Recommended Q-Logic Box Type: none

» warranty: 1 year

"Alpine Type-R subwoofers are designed with HAMR Engineering to deliver tighter, accurate bass. A multi-stage Thermal Management System and Aluminum Airflow Motor Cover provide better airflow cooling for maximum performance, With the precision-crafted SWR-1242D (12", 4ohm + 4ohm), you'll be able to handle ground-pounding, long-lasting bass and complement any system for awesome sound quality. Add another dimension to the sound, and feel your music!"

• Frequency Response:

24Hz – 500Hz

• Kevlar Reinforced Pulp Cone

• Custom Cast Aluminum Frame with Integrated Perimeter Venting and Heat Transfer Plate

• Dual Voice Coil Design

• Mirrored Progressive Nomex ® Spiders with Reinforced Layer Integrated Tinsel Leads

• Compound Radius Curve (CRC) Motor Structure

• Multi-Stage Thermal Management System

• HAMR Surround and Concealed Mount Gasket

• Aluminum Airflow Motor Cover

• Insert Push Terminals with One-sided Layout

• Designed and Engineered in the USA

WINNAR

by just holding more power?...oh, it's spelled winner
funny that you can say it's better because of more power handling, without even knowing the original posters actual power..............

 

[foomasta69 10+ year member]

wellll i herd the older versions of both of these subs,,, 03crv and the older alpine type r, the alpines outpound them and can handle more power....

 

[Rawr-DQ 10+ year member]

I didn't actually say anything you dip*** polecat, I highlighted some things.

I spelled winner incorrectly on purpose, you really lack any senses at all nevertheless humor, however the features listed is enough to prove that the type r will most likely fair better than the cvr, the type r is just under the type x series, alpines highest ranked class of subwoofers, the new 2005 type r got alot of it's features from the type x subwoofer, it coming close to just lacking the same power and quality of the type x series, but with the new HARMS surrond pushes the linear excursion up even higher for the highest spl and control you could get out of that quality of speakers...not even metioning the rest of the features...

Honestly, whats wrong with you?

WINNAR

 

[JoseMCeee 10+ year member]

well i cant say that the Type Rs look dont look good on paper. There might be several things different like they might be less efficient or something. Sealed the Type Rs will really kill of course cuz compvrs arent too good in a sealed box and Rs are more musical. But in a ported box (optimal) there could be a tight match depending on the power. It could be true that the Type Rs will handle much more power but below that the CompVrs should stay with them most of the way. Also the Type Rs (speakin on the old ones, not sure about new ones) handle the low end much better and compvrs handle the higher alot better. Im not too good with the numbers but on Hz but im sure thats true.

 

[JoseMCeee 10+ year member]

another thing you guys are going from the price on C-Field. You guys are really going to buy them off of there?

a pair of 12s CompVrs - ~ 192

a pair of 12s TypeRs - ~ 284

 

[Rawr-DQ 10+ year member]

I saw 149, and 200. US$. Edit: oh didn't see the pair at first...well these prices for just 1 sub.

Edit: there is a difference for a reason ~.~

Edit again: Instead of posting more replies** Crutchfield may be pricey but they offer free shipping for order over 100 or 200, and you can get 20 bucks off with a refer code, and they have a 1 year warrenty!!!!

 

[JoseMCeee 10+ year member]

ok ic. For some reason I thought you guys were talkin about a pair. Yea i cant say that isnt good. a warranty and free shipping is the sht

 

[lebomb 10+ year member]

I didn't actually say anything you dip*** polecat, I highlighted some things.
I spelled winner incorrectly on purpose, you really lack any senses at all nevertheless humor, however the features listed is enough to prove that the type r will most likely fair better than the cvr, the type r is just under the type x series, alpines highest ranked class of subwoofers, the new 2005 type r got alot of it's features from the type x subwoofer, it coming close to just lacking the same power and quality of the type x series, but with the new HARMS surrond pushes the xmax up ever higher for the highest spl and control you could get out of that quality of speakers...not even metioning the rest of the features...

Honestly, whats wrong with you?

WINNAR

Dude, you are a MOOOOOOORON. You cant judge a book by its cover. Polecat said the two subs were comparable. Do you know that the ol school JLWOs have itty bitty magnets, a small voice coil had a rating of 125watts rms.....and they would blow away subs that were much beefier and had supposedly better specs. Like Polecat said.......go listen and judge with your ears not specs on a paper that can be doctored. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[Rawr-DQ 10+ year member]

*ok, here is you judge:*

wellll i herd the older versions of both of these subs,,, 03crv and the older alpine type r, the alpines outpound them and can handle more power....

Now the new alpine type r's had a lot of improvements incorporating technology used in the type x series.

If the old type r can beat the kickers, then the vastly improved type r will kick some kicker ***.