Cleanest Amplifier

[ss3079 5,000+ posts]

ok guys, if youre going to argue with me, refute what i said. most of you are making irrelevant points. all i said was that amplifiers do affect the signal somewhat, i didnt say there was a large audible difference, or even an audible difference at all.

"An amplifier can in no way, shape, or form effect SQ. Period."hahahahaha

i didnt say that i knew what they were. i just laughed when zane made the claim that amplifiers cannot affect sq. thats just not true.

But you do seem to think that there will be an audible difference between amp A and amp B ... based on the above statements.

- Steve

 

[CELLERBR 10+ year member]

And also I must ask if it isnt audible.....is there really a difference?

 

[somekook 10+ year member]

nothing i have said should lead you to beleive that i think there will be an audible difference between "amp a and amp b"

i just said there may be no audible difference at all. but an amplifier will distort the signal somewhat.

 

[bri487 5,000+ posts]

nothing i have said should lead you to beleive that i think there will be an audible difference between "amp a and amp b"i just said there may be no audible difference at all. but an amplifier will distort the signal somewhat.

no more talking for you

 

[somekook 10+ year member]

what the hell is that suppsed to mean

 

[CELLERBR 10+ year member]

nothing i have said should lead you to beleive that i think there will be an audible difference between "amp a and amp b"i just said there may be no audible difference at all. but an amplifier will distort the signal somewhat.

EVEN...if it does distort yet you can not hear it b/c it is not audible...is it really distorting???? I mean if you cant hear distortion is it really there? Seriously man is it worth the extra coin for a "SQ" amp just so you can say "dude if we had super sonic hearing there would still be no distortion in my sound due to my amp!!".....Me I will just stick with what i can afford b/c I dont have super sonic hearing and dont know anyone who does so i dont think i will ever get caught with amplifier distortion.....And i will have a few extra bills to spend elsewhere in the system.

Basicly what i am trying to say is if there is distortion that you cant hear then to me there really is no distortion!!!

 

[bri487 5,000+ posts]

what the hell is that suppsed to mean

that means dont talk anymore, ****, are you that stupid?

 

[somekook 10+ year member]

i agree with you cellerbr. i wouldnt pay that much for an amp with so little a difference either. all im saying is that there is a difference in distortion between various amps.

and bri487, no im not that stupid. i guess what i was trying to ask is why should i? furthermore, why would i stop talking just because you told me to? lol, i dont think you have the right to tell me to stop talking. if you do, please,do yourself a favor and excersise that right so you dont have to listen to me anymore. or just stop reading this thread.

 

[b0mbrman 10+ year member]

Heh heh...sometimes when I know I made a mistake, I sorta just shut up so as not to bring attention to myself //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[somekook 10+ year member]

hey thanks man, ill probably try that sometime when i make a mistake

 

[ssracerx2 10+ year member]

Go ahead then. Prove me wrong.
If an amplifier does anything other than strengthen the signal, it's either not an amp, or it's broke.

Yes, let's let ignorance talk and play the THD card too.

Amps today are all below 1% THD - which is arguablyIn-audible!

I can't honestly believe that this non-sense of amplifiers effecting SQ is still an issue.

BTW- what part of the amp makes the SQ?

-zane

Well if what you say is true then why don't you own Sparkomatic and Jensen...You would have to be a moron to own Alpine and other brand names since there is no difference. Whe are you so careless with your money if there is no difference at all??? Prove your point and run your system with a Sparkomatic amp

 

[ss3079 5,000+ posts]

Well if what you say is true then why don't you own Sparkomatic and Jensen...You would have to be a moron to own Alpine and other brand names since there is no difference. Whe are you so careless with your money if there is no difference at all??? Prove your point and run your system with a Sparkomatic amp

Why I run Arc over US Acoustics:

I had a large budget.

IMO they look better.

Had features that I wanted.

If you want me to run a Sparkomatic or Jensen amp, buy it and I'll use it.

- Steve

 

[somekook 10+ year member]

Originally Posted by ssracerx2

Well if what you say is true then why don't you own Sparkomatic and Jensen...You would have to be a moron to own Alpine and other brand names since there is no difference. Whe are you so careless with your money if there is no difference at all??? Prove your point and run your system with a Sparkomatic amp

good point.

 

[99concorde 10+ year member]

EVEN...if it does distort yet you can not hear it b/c it is not audible...is it really distorting???? I mean if you cant hear distortion is it really there? Seriously man is it worth the extra coin for a "SQ" amp just so you can say "dude if we had super sonic hearing there would still be no distortion in my sound due to my amp!!".....Me I will just stick with what i can afford b/c I dont have super sonic hearing and dont know anyone who does so i dont think i will ever get caught with amplifier distortion.....And i will have a few extra bills to spend elsewhere in the system.
Basicly what i am trying to say is if there is distortion that you cant hear then to me there really is no distortion!!!

If a tree falls in the woods and there is noone there to hear it fall does it still make a sound.

 

[awalbert88 10+ year member]

Originally Posted by ssracerx2Well if what you say is true then why don't you own Sparkomatic and Jensen...You would have to be a moron to own Alpine and other brand names since there is no difference. Whe are you so careless with your money if there is no difference at all??? Prove your point and run your system with a Sparkomatic amp

good point.

Dude, do yourself a favor - narrow your argument. You're trying to make broad statements that may have some validity in parts, but not in others (ie. all blonds are stupid -- not true, as only some are). Uh, no pun intended with the "broad statement". Anyway, the point is that arguments are never won with generalizations or wide-open accusations. You'll need to focus on something specific, or people will just ignore you and think you to be an idiot. It's like going before the UN and saying that they should invade Iraq because it's a bad place without even mentioning, "WMD". Even once "WMD" is mentioned, you still need to offer specific proof and evidence to back up your arguments, or you will look an even greater fool. And if that proof turns out to be wrong, apologize for the error and leave with a lesson learned. I hope you followed the analogy.

In no way am I going to take your side (or zane's side), but I suggest you do some research before you argue with zane. He knows his stuff. I had to dig like heck to find the specs on the only amp I knew of with audible distortion (if you want to know the name of the amp, search the forums for a long-winded debate between zane and myself).

It's very possible that you will continue to believe that amplifiers affect SQ by introducing distortion. While this is true, you will never notice the distortion introduced as a byproduct of amplification unless the amplifier is truly horribly designed (such as the amp I used in my debate w/ zane). The difference between .5% THD and .005% THD is inaudible to humans (dogs, perhaps, could hear a difference, but they lack the inteligence to recognize this difference anyway).

So, in my way of viewing it, both sides are correct and wrong. Amps won't sound different to us, yet they do affect sound quality differently (albeit inaudibly).

If you can't hear a difference between a $200 amp and a $20,000 amp, get the $200 amp. If you can hear the difference, you probably knew which amp was more expensive and only thought you heard a difference.