any presbyterian's out there I have a few questions

[netzero 10+ year member]

some translations are sketchy and overdone (KJ, NIV). Some went from original text using relevance and application for a better translation (Living Bible, NLT).And every Christian should question the Christian faith. its the only way God can show Himself to you. Faith isn't supposed to be blind and dumb, it is supposed to fuse our powerful minds with His power

Very well said my friend! That is the only way to further deepen knowledge and understand what you or someone else believes. It's faith, but not blind faith.

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

Speaking in tongues only happened at the time of Pentacost after Jesus "ascended" into heaven... that was the power of the holy spirit and the people heard real languages in their own dialects.
The speaking of tongues your hearing is just psycho babble and unbiblical because it does not meet the description of what biblical tongues is.

speaking in tongues is a spiritual gift as stated by Paul in the Pauline epistles a few times. also interpreting tongues is a spiritual gift. They are not common so alot of people are faking. Also Paul says speaking in tongues does not benefit anyone but the one speaking them. It is pointless to say them to a congregation without an interpreter.

 

[lilmaniac2 5,000+ posts]

some translations are sketchy and overdone (KJ, NIV). Some went from original text using relevance and application for a better translation (Living Bible, NLT).And every Christian should question the Christian faith. its the only way God can show Himself to you. Faith isn't supposed to be blind and dumb, it is supposed to fuse our powerful minds with His power

What orginal text are you refering to, only some portions of the original text are avalible for study, others were left out and destroyed because of political reasons. I find myself leaning toward a scientific view point more and more as I age, although I still get stuck that according to all scientific law, there HAS to be something eternal .... the world may never know

Speaking in tongues only happened at the time of Pentacost after Jesus "ascended" into heaven... that was the power of the holy spirit and the people heard real languages in their own dialects.
The speaking of tongues your hearing is just psycho babble and unbiblical because it does not meet the description of what biblical tongues is.

Truf. There is ALOT of information out there to support this, and the only argument against it that I have seen is that they are inspired by God, so nice to not have to provide any proof other than they "felt" something.

 

[lilmaniac2 5,000+ posts]

speaking in tongues is a spiritual gift as stated by Paul in the Pauline epistles a few times. also interpreting tongues is a spiritual gift. They are not common so alot of people are faking. Also Paul says speaking in tongues does not benefit anyone but the one speaking them. It is pointless to say them to a congregation without an interpreter.

Misinterpretation!!!

Speaking in known tongues is, speaking in psycho babble of an unknown language is not.

Research it for yourself

 

[netzero 10+ year member]

speaking in tongues is a spiritual gift as stated by Paul in the Pauline epistles a few times. also interpreting tongues is a spiritual gift. They are not common so alot of people are faking. Also Paul says speaking in tongues does not benefit anyone but the one speaking them. It is pointless to say them to a congregation without an interpreter.

I agree that it was a spiritual gift, but it's considered a sign gift and It became inactive when Jesus left and only the apostles could use them, being appointed by Christ Himself.

It's not truly active today because Jesus did signs and miracles to do His ministry, and now that it's done, there should be nothing left to show the unbelieving world. If someone can't believe Him for what he did on earth as God, why should they believe someone speaking in tongues? See what i mean?

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

Misinterpretation!!!
Speaking in known tongues is, speaking in psycho babble of an unknown language is not.

Research it for yourself

thats not a misinterpretation at all, I just said alot of people are faking it.

 

[netzero 10+ year member]

and that means that people who "claim" to speak, truly are doing it for themselves, and not the belief they follow.

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

I agree that it was a spiritual gift, but it's considered a sign gift and It became inactive when Jesus left and only the apostles could use them, being appointed by Christ Himself.
It's not truly active today because Jesus did signs and miracles to do His ministry, and now that it's done, there should be nothing left to show the unbelieving world. If someone can't believe Him for what he did on earth as God, why should they believe someone speaking in tongues? See what i mean?

as I said, it benefits no one but the sayer. Think of it like grunting or screaming. You are expressing emotions and since God knows what we feel even if we don't say it in audible words, its authenticity should reach Him. AS for anyone listening, it would do nothing because they don't know what is being communicated. God knows our heart and sometimes we don't know the words to express what we have going on. That doesn't mean we can't get our emotion out to him in some form. Speaking in tongues is the same way. The only problem is many people fake it to impress people. Just like some people say extravagant prayers to impress people, they do nothing for the sayer (as Jesus told the Pharisees many times) because it is not authentic.

 

[lilmaniac2 5,000+ posts]

thats not a misinterpretation at all, I just said alot of people are faking it.

99%-100% of them are faking it, depending on which intelligent viewpoint you take.

There is no longer a need for speaking in tongues since the completed word of the text. Unless you feel like George the barber at your local church has something to add that the 11 people who hung out with Jesus and their close associates didn't think of in the couple hundred year period the bible was written

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

99%-100% of them are faking it, depending on which intelligent viewpoint you take.
There is no longer a need for speaking in tongues since the completed word of the text. Unless you feel like George the barber at your local church has something to add that the 11 people who hung out with Jesus and their close associates didn't think of in the couple hundred year period the bible was written

I agree with you. The Bible is the standard to go by and anything that does not line up with it is well, garbage.

 

[lilmaniac2 5,000+ posts]

as I said, it benefits no one but the sayer. Think of it like grunting or screaming. You are expressing emotions and since God knows what we feel even if we don't say it in audible words, its authenticity should reach Him. AS for anyone listening, it would do nothing because they don't know what is being communicated. God knows our heart and sometimes we don't know the words to express what we have going on. That doesn't mean we can't get our emotion out to him in some form. Speaking in tongues is the same way. The only problem is many people fake it to impress people. Just like some people say extravagant prayers to impress people, they do nothing for the sayer (as Jesus told the Pharisees many times) because it is not authentic.

You just defeated your viewpoint in the 1st half of your post, I'm not going to argue with you, because your faith is your faith, however you should research it further to understand why your wrong.

edit, I dont understand your viewpoint, you just said you agreed with me, but in the 2nd half of your post you are defending it.

Also you said speaking in tounges IS a spiritual gift, not WAS. which is incorrect, in my modest, educated opinion

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

look at it this way, the Holy Spirit is supposed to enter those when they accept Christ. the Holy Spirit is supposed to be able to do anything right? So if it wants to use us to speak in another language can it? Because if it can't you are saying the Trinity is not all-powerful if you believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Listen I do agree with you that most people fake speaking in tongues. I agree it is extremely rare and really not necessary since the Bible is translated in almost every language of the world. But the fact is God can do ANYTHING HE WANTS even allow someone to authentically speak in tongues. I don't think He does it that often, but the fact is if we believe God is All Powerful He not only can, but does when he feels like it.

 

[lilmaniac2 5,000+ posts]

look at it this way, the Holy Spirit is supposed to enter those when they accept Christ. the Holy Spirit is supposed to be able to do anything right? So if it wants to use us to speak in another language can it? Because if it can't you are saying the Trinity is not all-powerful if you believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Listen I do agree with you that most people fake speaking in tongues. I agree it is extremely rare and really not necessary since the Bible is translated in almost every language of the world. But the fact is God can do ANYTHING HE WANTS even allow someone to authentically speak in tongues. I don't think He does it that often, but the fact is if we believe God is All Powerful He not only can, but does when he feels like it.

What purpose would be served by speaking in tongues, when he supposedly inspires pastors to speak each Sunday to bring a sermon.

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

What purpose would be served by speaking in tongues, when he supposedly inspires pastors to speak each Sunday to bring a sermon.

exactly why I have stated like 3 times speaking in tongues does nothing for a congregation, only the sayer. and that's only assuming the sayer is authentically speaking to God (which is quite rare). If I were to ever hear a preacher start "speaking in tongues" I'd probably walk right out thinking he is a fraud

 

[keiffith 10+ year member]

IMHO religion is teh fail.

after reading the bible, i was no longer a christian.

too much BS and hypocracy. and i like fact, not fiction.

but to each his own.