Alpine Type Rs Vs. Sundowns

[adulbrich 5,000+ posts]

and this is way DD has never seen my business... not cuz i dont want DD in my ride... i dont jump through hoops to get my car audio...lol audioque/soundqubed has seen alot of my business lol gotta love how its all shipped direct from DD... those internet based companies are doing good out here... lol theres sundown in every pawn shop in detroit and surrounding areas... aq/sq popular out here... i dont see much dd and if i do... its off shelve stock... or a guy from forums...

I've owned quite a few of their subs. Bought everything used. My M4a was BNIB for $1,250. That's not a bad price for a compact and reliable 7k, imo.

I will not buy Soundqubed again. I got some of their pro mids. One had a decent chip out of the magnet, one dust cap wasn't centered, and one of my grille's was broken that I payed extra for. Also, the HDC3 is NOT identical to the 9500 series. A friend of mine went from DD to SQ and hated his HDC3. Sold it shortly after buying it, and got my 9512's instead.

TBH, that was about a year ago. I think it was in the 300+ range, but IDK for sure. But, I got this off their page:

DD in prefabs makes me cry

DD is good stuff... im just bickering cuz i dont come across as much of it as id like too... lol and i blame their sales setup..

Yea, I don't like that you can't order direct. At the end of the summer, I will be going to the two closest dealers in the area to see who can give me the best price on some new 15" Z's.

Dealers can work on price a bit. Basically I'm just going to say that I'll buy from whoever will give me the lowest price.

Also may see if they'd do a partial trade in for my old one. DD does to trade-ins for upgrades.

 

[tommymilan311]

DD subs are beautiful... in every way except price and ease of access.... lol

As you see above I have access //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Price.... When I put my mind to something, the price tag never gets in the way. Sometimes I have to wait a bit, but I will have it. LOL. I can start pricing and saving for my next system now, so in 3 years or whatever, when I get a new car, I can build from the ground up. My Alpines will become the new workout room/computer room/music room speakers //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[basswiigee2fix]

subs i love better than the type r's are many...

AQ/sq

DD

obsidian

c2

american bass

sundown

massive

but all depends on model and series... subs around same price that will kill type r's are plenty as well... american bass xfl, sa12, c2 threatcon, osidians, etc....

 

[basswiigee2fix]

As you see above I have access //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Price.... When I put my mind to something, the price tag never gets in the way. Sometimes I have to wait a bit, but I will have it. LOL. I can start pricing and saving for my next system now, so in 3 years or whatever, when I get a new car, I can build from the ground up. My Alpines will become the new workout room/computer room/music room speakers //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

dont disregard the alpines like theyre trash lol ... they are good for what they are... a great starter system.. or if the wife/girlfriend wants some extra bump... lol

 

[tommymilan311]

subs i love better than the type r's are many...
AQ/sq

DD

obsidian

c2

american bass

sundown

massive

but all depends on model and series... subs around same price that will kill type r's are plenty as well... american bass xfl, sa12, c2 threatcon, osidians, etc....

I'll have to do more research on my next build. I'm very concerned with clarity and range. I usually play at 30-80 Hz with the sub. I want all that to be heard clearly. I don't play anything lower than 80 Hz from my doors because of some canceling and it makes my doors flex more than desired. I'll have to look into getting higher quality components and subs for my next build. Higher quality and louder //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

DDs seem okay to me because I can get them. I'll have to find some guys with these speakers that I can hear for myself before doing my next setup. I got plenty of time though.

 

[tommymilan311]

dont disregard the alpines like theyre trash lol ... they are good for what they are... a great starter system.. or if the wife/girlfriend wants some extra bump... lol

I'm not. I love them, IDC what anyone says about them. My current workout room/computer room/music room speakers are my old door speakers from my car and a JL sub.

 

[basswiigee2fix]

I'll have to do more research on my next build. I'm very concerned with clarity and range. I usually play at 30-80 Hz with the sub. I want all that to be heard clearly. I don't play anything lower than 80 Hz from my doors because of some canceling and it makes my doors flex more than desired. I'll have to look into getting higher quality components and subs for my next build. Higher quality and louder //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
DDs seem okay to me because I can get them. I'll have to find some guys with these speakers that I can hear for myself before doing my next setup. I got plenty of time though.

yup... focus on ur box build, deadening, maybe baffles for doors?, these will create the sound ur looking for... dont depend on the sub to perform how you want it if you havent created the perfect environment....

measure your trunk, know how much space you have, know how big ur opening is... lol dont get a box built/build that dont fit... lmao

get lots of deadner.... research subs.... have ur box built to sub specs... dont go prefab... make sure not to cheap out on ur hu or mids/highs... a sub is to compliment them not drown them out... if you like the strong solid thump and not the blurtttt blurttt bass, go ported... but built ur box to ur sub... my dad is sq... running ported.. a properly built box gives a sub a whole new sound... and prevents sloppy blurrtttt bass lol

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

Yes sir they do. Looks like only 10s though. Alpine Electronics of America, Inc.

Hmmm. Have NOT seen the new ones in action so I can't comment. Claiming Kevlar cones as "new" in their marketing is a bit shady IMO since they've been using Kevlar in pulp cones since like the 80's.

 

[noble brown]

Op: there's soooo much bullish!t info on this forum. You've got to be careful what you listen to. What makes it worse is that there's a lot of Good info too. So it's hard to sort it all out without a lot of effort. This thread in particular is riddled with some jive a$$ $h!t. Like whoever called bs on you for claiming to have heard a difference in the transient response between a 10" and a 15". All things being equal the difference is there. It's simple physics. But you seem smart enough to figure it out as long as you know that not everything is as it seems in this little odd corner of the web. It sure is effing interesting though...

 

[adulbrich 5,000+ posts]

Op: there's soooo much bullish!t info on this forum. You've got to be careful what you listen to. What makes it worse is that there's a lot of Good info too. So it's hard to sort it all out without a lot of effort. This thread in particular is riddled with some jive a$$ $h!t. Like whoever called bs on you for claiming to have heard a difference in the transient response between a 10" and a 15". All things being equal the difference is there. It's simple physics. But you seem smart enough to figure it out as long as you know that not everything is as it seems in this little odd corner of the web. It sure is effing interesting though...

Yea, ok there Bob.

Lets put you blindfolded in some cars and see if you can tell the difference between which subs are larger.

You really cannot tell the difference by listening. Two 8's and a 12 would sound the same on similar power in similar installs.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Op: there's soooo much bullish!t info on this forum. You've got to be careful what you listen to. What makes it worse is that there's a lot of Good info too. So it's hard to sort it all out without a lot of effort. This thread in particular is riddled with some jive a$$ $h!t. Like whoever called bs on you for claiming to have heard a difference in the transient response between a 10" and a 15". All things being equal the difference is there. It's simple physics. But you seem smart enough to figure it out as long as you know that not everything is as it seems in this little odd corner of the web. It sure is effing interesting though...

The only difference is output. If that output is 30hz or 60hz don't matter. And that only matters for the exact same series of subs.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

As you see above I have access //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Price.... When I put my mind to something, the price tag never gets in the way. Sometimes I have to wait a bit, but I will have it. LOL. I can start pricing and saving for my next system now, so in 3 years or whatever, when I get a new car, I can build from the ground up. My Alpines will become the new workout room/computer room/music room speakers //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

DD dealers have a lot of wiggle room. Don't be afraid to talk them down.

If you can wait till the end of the year the SW3500 is coming out.

 

[Jeffdachef 5,000+ posts]

The only difference is output. If that output is 30hz or 60hz don't matter. And that only matters for the exact same series of subs.

show him some info on mark elderidge's soloX 18 that won the SQ comps.

 

[noble brown]

I'm saying you absolutely will get a difference in the transient response between two 8's and one 15. Difference in loudness wouldn't be audible bit these two sizes compared side by side, same series, same amp and car the transient response will have a notable difference.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

I'm saying you absolutely will get a difference in the transient response between two 8's and one 15. Difference in loudness wouldn't be audible bit these two sizes compared side by side, same series, same amp and car the transient response will have a notable difference.

Nope. The only way you would think that way...every 15 you have ever used has been in to small of airspace. If that's the case you are correct judging it that way.

That's normally what happens.

 

[The_Quiet_One 10+ year member]

Tell me what's largely different between sizes besides MMS? How do you figure the physics dictates that driver size is the fundamental reason why different sized drivers "sound different'. I have a degree in Physics, so maybe I can keep up with your technical explanation. When it's all said and done the enclosure and how that particular enclosure interacts with the total acoustic system of your car plays an infinitely larger role in how a driver sounds than it's size. 50 Hz is 50 Hz

OP there are tons of great sub options out there. I would strongly encourage you to try Sundown, DD, or a slew of other quality products if your itching to play with new toys. Your R's are solid little subs though.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Tell me what's largely different between sizes besides MMS? How do you figure the physics dictates that driver size is the fundamental reason why different sized drivers "sound different'. I have a degree in Physics, so maybe I can keep up with your technical explanation. When it's all said and done the enclosure and how that particular enclosure interacts with the total acoustic system of your car plays an infinitely larger role in how a driver sounds than it's size. 50 Hz is 50 Hz

I think he is referring to the smaller sub being faster. Which leads back to the 15s he knows lacking airspace.

 

[noble brown]

I think he is referring to the smaller sub being faster. Which leads back to the 15s he knows lacking airspace.

Yes this is what I'm getting at. And your saying that enclosure space can effectively nullify this factor. So you can enhance the transient response of a 15 but there is a limit to doing the same with a 8?

I'm not saying 15s can't have excellent sq, I know they can just saying that all things being equal there will be a difference.

 

[adulbrich 5,000+ posts]

I'm saying you absolutely will get a difference in the transient response between two 8's and one 15. Difference in loudness wouldn't be audible bit these two sizes compared side by side, same series, same amp and car the transient response will have a notable difference.

Loudness would be noticeably different. Transient response would not be noticeably different if the enclosures were to spec.

I think he is referring to the smaller sub being faster. Which leads back to the 15s he knows lacking airspace.

"faster" or "slower" response can also be caused by the amplifier, even if the sub size and installs are exactly the same.

If the amplifier doesn't have very good electrical damping, it cannot control the sub's motion as well. This may cause a muddy/boomy sound, and lack of kick with drums.

 

[adulbrich 5,000+ posts]

Yes this is what I'm getting at. And your saying that enclosure space can effectively nullify this factor. So you can enhance the transient response of a 15 but there is a limit to doing the same with a 8?I'm not saying 15s can't have excellent sq, I know they can just saying that all things being equal there will be a difference.

8's and 15's are not faster or slower than eachother.

Getting back to the old newb-myth that 8" subs can't hit the lows