Should We Defund The Police

Also not true. Systemic racism still exists if you remove race from the headlines. This image is equivalent of saying that you disagree with the BlackLivesMatter movement because AllLivesMatter. In reality, yes all lives do matter. However, we need to call attention to the people receiving the worst treatment until everyone is equal. The best analogy I have heard is lets say your house is on fire. The fire department shows up and starts spraying your house. Mid stream, they decide all houses matter even though yours is the only one on fire. They ignore the fire and start spraying the neighbors houses while your world burns down. Saying BlackLivesMatter doesnt take away from any other race, it calls attention to a group of people that need the help the most.

I'll just agree with Denzel. I'm pretty sure that he knows what he is talking about.
 
Any questions? It's a bad cop thing, not a race thing.

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We've already established that you don't want to do anything fundamental or widespread about bad cops. Your hot potato act is borrowed from mass shootings where we toss the blame between guns and mental illness back and forth, issuing a statement that nothing can be done about it at each turn until it goes away and you can go back to jerking off. If you want to be a coward or defeatist then why be one so loudly? Isn't it embarrassing?
 
We've already established that you don't want to do anything fundamental or widespread about bad cops. Your hot potato act is borrowed from mass shootings where we toss the blame between guns and mental illness back and forth, issuing a statement that nothing can be done about it at each turn until it goes away and you can go back to jerking off. If you want to be a coward or defeatist then why be one so loudly? Isn't it embarrassing?

Putting two cops who were on their third and fourth shifts in jail for fifty years isn't going to change anything. Defunding the police will only lead to more crime. So, in your opinion, removing qualified immunity is a cure all for this police brutality problem. I'm fine with defunding police and removing qualified immunity. I just know that it will lead to more crime, not less. Criminals aren't going to stop committing crimes because there are less cops on the street. Just like the death penalty doesn't prevent murders. There will always be bad cops and criminals, of all races.
 
Putting two cops who were on their third and fourth shifts in jail for fifty years isn't going to change anything. Defunding the police will only lead to more crime. So, in your opinion, removing qualified immunity is a cure all for this police brutality problem. I'm fine with defunding police and removing qualified immunity. I just know that it will lead to more crime, not less. Criminals aren't going to stop committing crimes because there are less cops on the street. Just like the death penalty doesn't prevent murders. There will always be bad cops and criminals, of all races.

Please explain how removing qualified immunity leads to more crime? Nobody said anything about defunding the police.

Its pretty obvious you are extremely dense, are a troll, or this thread is just you hopping on the bandwagon of people "trying" to help without actually understanding the underlying issues.
 
Cops should not respond to certain neighborhoods anymore therefore they don’t need as many cops. Plenty of other areas to patrol.

Thats not what qualified immunity is. Do some research:

 
Please explain how removing qualified immunity leads to more crime? Nobody said anything about defunding the police.

Its pretty obvious you are extremely dense, are a troll, or this thread is just you hopping on the bandwagon of people "trying" to help without actually understanding the underlying issues.

Because, cops will be afraid to make a mistake and end up in jail and being sued personally. I also think that many more cops will be hurt or killed. They will have to react slower to be totally sure what the person is actually reaching for. There are a lot of people asking for the defunding of police and removing qualified immunity.
 
Because, cops will be afraid to make a mistake and end up in jail and being sued personally. I also think that many more cops will be hurt or killed. They will have to react slower to be totally sure what the person is actually reaching for. There are a lot of people asking for the defunding of police and removing qualified immunity.

If they follow their rules and training there is no risk. If they are afraid, its because they are bad cops and dont follow the rules.

Using your argument, you realize you are literally saying that cops should shoot first and ask for forgiveness later when they are unsure of what a person is reaching for. That is exactly the fucking problem and you are part of it. They shoot or kill first for people of color rather than getting the full story or view.
 
We've already established that you don't want to do anything fundamental or widespread about bad cops. Your hot potato act is borrowed from mass shootings where we toss the blame between guns and mental illness back and forth, issuing a statement that nothing can be done about it at each turn until it goes away and you can go back to jerking off. If you want to be a coward or defeatist then why be one so loudly? Isn't it embarrassing?
I am curious about a few things. Who are the "bad cops"? How do we know they are "bad"? How do we know when they are going to do something bad? If we have NO WAY of knowing who the bad cops are or when they are going to do something bad, how do we do anything fundamental or widespread to them? Is it by way of a crystal ball or tarot cards perhaps that reveal bad cops to us? Ahhhh it's by skin color? No that can't be it... that would make people racist.

So, it is safe to say that any rational thinking person with an IQ over 90 knows we can't determine ahead of time if someone is going to do something bad to anyone. So REMOVING funds from law enforcement is not going to fix anything. Yes, it will remove bad cops but it will remove more good cops than anything else because good cops are in far greater numbers than bad cops. You want something widespread and effective???... how about stricter punishments or harsher punishments for criminals and longer sentences. Make it illegal to baby criminals or give them slaps on the wrist. No probation, only jail time. How about we make punishments for crimes actual punishments. Make criminals think twice about committing crimes.
 
If they follow their rules and training there is no risk. If they are afraid, its because they are bad cops and dont follow the rules.

Using your argument, you realize you are literally saying that cops should shoot first and ask for forgiveness later when they are unsure of what a person is reaching for. That is exactly the fucking problem and you are part of it. They shoot or kill first for people of color rather than getting the full story or view.
Do criminals follow rules? Are criminals worried about how they make cops feel? Do criminals care about killing cops?
 
If they follow their rules and training there is no risk. If they are afraid, its because they are bad cops and dont follow the rules.

Using your argument, you realize you are literally saying that cops should shoot first and ask for forgiveness later when they are unsure of what a person is reaching for. That is exactly the fucking problem and you are part of it. They shoot or kill first for people of color rather than getting the full story or view.

So, your argument is that cops should wait until the criminal, who is disobeying orders, actually pulls his/her gun out and reveals it, to then make his mind up? That would be too late and result in a lot of dead cops, of all races. I see a lot more full felony stops in the future. So, you want the cops to follow the strictest guidelines when dealing with criminals? Sounds like the inmates will be running the asylum.
 
I am curious about a few things. Who are the "bad cops"? How do we know they are "bad"? How do we know when they are going to do something bad? If we have NO WAY of knowing who the bad cops are or when they are going to do something bad, how do we do anything fundamental or widespread to them? Is it by way of a crystal ball or tarot cards perhaps that reveal bad cops to us? Ahhhh it's by skin color? No that can't be it... that would make people racist.

Bad cops are those who lie and obfiscate for their buddies or do things such as plant evidence, or beat up/kill people during an arrest simply because they want to or are on an adrenaline high. There's a surprising amount of evidence that makes it to court and it's very common that cops get caught lying about the circumstances. It's called perjury, but for some reason they never get blamed for that other than annoying the judge.

We don't need to know they're going to do something bad, this isn't minority report. You're basically saying if we don't know who's bad, how do we prevent crime? Same way you prevent crime when cops do it, hold the criminals accountable, in this case hold cops who commit crimes and break policy liable in the same way civilians are. Also, don't require established case law for common sense decisions that rob people of their liberties, the onus should be on the cop who did the taking to prove it was reasonable according to policy, not the victim or the DA to prove it was unreasonable when it goes against department procedures.

You don't really need to make it about race any more, which should come as great relief to you by how defensive you get about it. The things BLM wants are mutually beneficial for everybody except criminal cops. White people are murdered by police too, just not as much as black people by individual odds.

So, it is safe to say that any rational thinking person with an IQ over 90 knows we can't determine ahead of time if someone is going to do something bad to anyone. So REMOVING funds from law enforcement is not going to fix anything. Yes, it will remove bad cops but it will remove more good cops than anything else because good cops are in far greater numbers than bad cops. You want something widespread and effective???... how about stricter punishments or harsher punishments for criminals and longer sentences. Make it illegal to baby criminals or give them slaps on the wrist. No probation, only jail time. How about we make punishments for crimes actual punishments. Make criminals think twice about committing crimes.
Well once again the left struggles to brand properly. Defund the police does mean cut their budgets, but it also primarily means alleviate their responsibilities and take away their millitary toys. It doesn't mean start firing officers, but obviously if there's accountability from here on out there will be a lot of cops losing their jobs and getting prosecuted. Essentially police have become the single tool to be used to do everything in poor communities and that should be reversed. You don't need armed officers to respond to every 911, many can be handled by people trained in deescalation instead or those trained in mental health crisis handling. I suppose as a cop ball sucker you'd agree that they're expected to do too much, so good, let them offset some duties to another entity and some money should go with those responsibilities being taken away.


Widespread and effective huh? How about you tell me what your sentence and crime was since your experiences with the police supposedly is where you draw your criticism of the BLM movement from. Maybe it wasn't such good evidence for your point after all.
 
Putting two cops who were on their third and fourth shifts in jail for fifty years isn't going to change anything. Defunding the police will only lead to more crime. So, in your opinion, removing qualified immunity is a cure all for this police brutality problem. I'm fine with defunding police and removing qualified immunity. I just know that it will lead to more crime, not less. Criminals aren't going to stop committing crimes because there are less cops on the street. Just like the death penalty doesn't prevent murders. There will always be bad cops and criminals, of all races.

Nope, there's a lot more needed to be done than just Qualified immunity. The fact that it's a DA who has the responsibility to bring charges is proven to be an issue just listening to the DA talk about the cops who shoved the old man in Buffalo. He's basically apologizing over and over and over again because he has to follow the law and bring charges and says "unfortunately it's a felony" like he regrets having to do his job against officers because his own job is at risk. I wonder if he feels the same way about felonies that regular citizens commit, is it unfortunate that he has to do his job then? Qualified immunity only helps once the judge hears the case which they usually don't due to poor prosecutorial discretion. They shouldn't be prosecuting their own coworkers, it should be brought by the FBI instead. Even more than those two things too ideally. Financial ramifications for not keeping your fellow officers in check, liability insurance, licenses to be an officer revoked instead of just firings so they can **** off to another station and start again with a fresh disciplinary record. Just to name a few...
 
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