Winisd help?

[shredder1 10+ year member]

Is that response what I'd expect from a pair of X-12's?.. I hear they dig deep...

 

[Jeffdachef 5,000+ posts]

Is that response what I'd expect from a pair of X-12's?.. I hear they dig deep...

the deeper you want them, the more upper end response you give up. "supposedly" you can ask for no megaroll with the traditional surrounds and it'll help with the upper bass response.

Thats exactly how sundown X subs sound like ported in every vehicle i've been in with them. Nice output 20hz to 45hz, then dies out flat from there, maybe reaching 52hz or so leaving you with a huge gap that your midbass has to take over but most of the times its just a huge gap in the sound spectrum.

 

[shredder1 10+ year member]

Well.. you've been extremely helpful in learning Winisd... took me 2 days and that was only cause I was following a "tutorial"... did you read it?.. it's very vague and leads one to think that specific info IS needed!.. LOL! Thanks man

 

[Jeffdachef 5,000+ posts]

Well.. you've been extremely helpful in learning Winisd... took me 2 days and that was only cause I was following a "tutorial"... did you read it?.. it's very vague and leads one to think that specific info IS needed!.. LOL! Thanks man

i saw that home theatre shack link long ago when trying to figure out what each meaning is. However entering it in his order always gave errors so I dismissed it.

 

[shredder1 10+ year member]

Well this D*mn thread ought to be sticky... It's a doozy and taught me more than Winisd... Thanks!

 

[Jeffdachef 5,000+ posts]

like how to post screen shots lmaooo.

 

[shredder1 10+ year member]

Like I said... I learned a Heck of a lot in this thread... so much that I can't list it all... but I did learn this for certain... I won't give enclosure advice until I'm familiar with this program and Prefabs really leave a LOT to be desired... now I'll watch some others dole out uninformed advice like I did... LOL!

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

Like I said... I learned a Heck of a lot in this thread... so much that I can't list it all... but I did learn this for certain... I won't give enclosure advice until I'm familiar with this program and Prefabs really leave a LOT to be desired... now I'll watch some others dole out uninformed advice like I did... LOL!

Until you get yourself a saw and some wood and start building boxes to compare real world vs. predicted and hear what those curves sound like you really won't wrap your head around it.

For practical purposes we only need Fs, Qts, and Vas for what we're doing. The rest are used to double check what you input and to predict other things which are pretty meaningless in our applications here.

 

[shredder1 10+ year member]

Until you get yourself a saw and some wood and start building boxes to compare real world vs. predicted and hear what those curves sound like you really won't wrap your head around it.
For practical purposes we only need Fs, Qts, and Vas for what we're doing. The rest are used to double check what you input and to predict other things which are pretty meaningless in our applications here.

That's all good... I've been into building boxes, installing and helping friends not to mention my own stuff since high school in 1985... competed IASCA 1995-1999 but have used fu*ked-up calculators and factory recommendations till now... Loved that Kicker bass for awhile... LOL!... until I became a basshead recently... Now I just wanna be loud and LOW!.. no more SQ for me... Good sound for sure... but slammin'!.. I want all kinds of basshead problems... LOL!

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

I want all kinds of basshead problems... LOL!

They are mostly expensive problems....careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

Seriously though, model a box, build it, test it.... repeat. Those graphs make a lot more sense when you can hear the results of a few different shapes.

 

[shredder1 10+ year member]

They are mostly expensive problems....careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
Seriously though, model a box, build it, test it.... repeat. Those graphs make a lot more sense when you can hear the results of a few different shapes.

OH yeah... I know ALL about response curves/Cabin gain... It is our friend and I'm thankful... I just found a way to actually model individual drivers and the CSCstang box in my car is what got me trying to learn... I had stinky coils and was nowhere near the rated power with a factory box... CSCstang's bigger box and WAY bigger port really made a difference... remember this thread... http://www.caraudio.com/forums/enclosure-design-construction-help/632305-tryin-larger-more-efficient-box-help.html ... I KNEW that something was wrong!... once the box got designed, built and installed... it is more efficient overall and the dam thing SUBS... (Low 20's)... hard with no stinky coils... I knew that I'd better learn Winisd since then... I think I've added 40 drivers to the database in one day... This IS cool...

 

[Jeffdachef 5,000+ posts]

That's all good... I've been into building boxes, installing and helping friends not to mention my own stuff since high school in 1985... competed IASCA 1995-1999 but have used fu*ked-up calculators and factory recommendations till now... Loved that Kicker bass for awhile... LOL!... until I became a basshead recently... Now I just wanna be loud and LOW!.. no more SQ for me... Good sound for sure... but slammin'!.. I want all kinds of basshead problems... LOL!

you dont want to replace windshields every time you feel the urge to full tilt...

 

[shredder1 10+ year member]

you dont want to replace windshields every time you feel the urge to full tilt...

I'm guessing you're there or close... LOL!... 4 team Ascendant 18"s on 30K... it's a long way off for me... I'm at visors, windshield trim, dashboard flex and the rear window latch separated so I had to re-silicone it in place and add some extra... but I'm looking for more problems... I dampened the roof and it's quiet but I should have added some mass for sure... I'm losing at least 1 maybe 2 db there overall... I'm just getting started... I'm looking forward to next year...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

But ARE these parameter files compatible with Winisd alpha?.. this would save anyone a TON of time and there are files for a BUNCH of drivers/manufacturers...

Not sure. I always manually enter them in and usually makes chaanges if i know the parts and the shifts after breakin.

 

[shredder1 10+ year member]

Not sure. I always manually enter them in and usually makes chaanges if i know the parts and the shifts after breakin.

I tried to snag them and downoad them into Alpha... apparently Alpha has a different directory location for it's files than Winsd pro... Sh*t!... there are TONS of good driver files available... but I'm NOT a computer guy so I let it be... it has instructions on what to do but the targeted directory location is wrong.