why that was nice

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

I may also point out if the laws for minorities were switched to "white" laws the ENTIRE left would be crying racism...Until you stop seeing PEOPLE as a color there will be racism and I will give you a prime example of how the left works. If you do not see the problem in this videoyou really have no clue of what racism actually is.

Why do blacks make .64 cents on the dollar when compared to whites? Why is the rate of infant mortality higher? Why are their lifespans overall shorter? Why aren't they represented equally in higher education or the political system?

Its nice to think of yourself as unprejudiced and 'color blind', ignorantly believing everyone has equal opportunities in America. However when you look at the demographics its pretty easy to see that it isn't true. If it is true, then why do people of color seem to get the shaft? Are they biologically or culturally inferior? Why are there such discrepancies in the stats if America is just and everyone truly has the same opportunities?

I'm not defending affirmative action but to all the people who want it to end, what do you propose to close the gap? Ive never heard any better ideas (or any ideas at all) from the people who call for its end.

Its nice to try and get all ideological and pretend that everything is ok; blame the victim for their situation. Nonetheless, ideology doesn't do shit about the problem.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

I hope were talking 1956 or you might have got suckered my friend. Could put up a fight with the pops, **** $2 thats one pizza delivery!, but you cant deny the church so its understandable

i'm an atheist. when i tried to debate my mom, i got caught in a big ball of sh!t. they first did little things like that, but then it progressed into eventually being sent to a seventh day adventist christian school, almost like a prison camp for christian children. very strict religion. had to work 1/2 the day at a dairy farm, then school the other 1/2. the rest consisted of bible study, prayer, and sneaking out to fuck 1 of the 2 sluts on sunday night. eventually i got expelled. they had punishments for things like touching girls or cussing. one of those punishments was to chop and dig out tree stumps, of which they had hundreds on grounds. they gave me 3 stumps for making out with a girl in the restroom. i siezed my oppurtunity and cut down the biggest pine tree in the courtyard, getting expelled. i could now play actual baseball and football with kids who had athletic ability!!!!!!!!!!

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

juan destroyed the drywall industry i used to work in. in 1993, i used to get piece work, meaning i get paid a dollar amount per sheet of drywall i would hang, or finish, or texture. the industry is kinda split like that. i got 5$ per sheet in 1993 when i first started. 3 years later i was good enough to hang 7-10 sheets per hour which was good money for me. back breaking hard work, but it was worth it. the larger companies drove the piece work down the toiliets by hiring mexicans at 9-10$ and hour. there is essentially no such thing as piece work in colorado anymore. it's now an hourly wage, and a low one state wide. nobody except a desperate poor mexican immigrant will even hang drywall anymore.

that's a nice story and everything but it doesnt mean that competing with Juan hurts the majority. He in fact helps them.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I didnt try to bolster my own stance and in fact took no stance with him at all.
I simply used his own logic to discredit his argument.

Perhaps you took my comments to him alone as relevant to the conversation between you and I, and that was your error.

How is me saying you are using a form of logic you already discreditted to further your agenda me taking your comments to him as relevant to our discussion? You are starting to lose coherence.
'Simply' using his logic to discredit him is pretty silly when the very sentence before you claim his logic holds no merit. His logic either holds no rational basis, or you can use it against him. You attempt to walk both sides of that aisle. It doesn't take a poly-sci major to see the flaw in that reasoning.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

we go off personal experiences, and that's one of mine. my mother owns a business in arizona and she loves hiring mexican people. they work harder and never call in. i get that. so it helps my family as a whole more, but it's the emotional trauma of being replaced by a 5'4 mexican who will shovel sh!t into trailers for 6$ an hour. what chance do i have as a poor white ex-con uneducated doofus.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crying.gif.ec0ebefe590df0251476573bc49e46d8.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Whites tend to see discrimination and racism as individual acts of deliberate discrimination, whereas people of color tend to see it as an institutionalized system of unequal opportunities.
If it really is a level playing field, why is it that one in three black or Mexican children live in poverty? Why is it that a black child's chances of dying before the age of one is twice as high as a white baby?

If it isn't unequal opportunities what is it?

Are people of color just naturally incapable being as civilized as whites? Do they turn down the help? Is that why they are statistically so much worse off than whites? They are given more opportunity than whites, yet do worse.. if thats true it must be because they are biologically inferior to whites... is that what your saying?

Minorities are statistically underrepresented in education, government, law, medicine, ect ect ect.. If you aren't racist, why is it bad to try to make up for that underrepresentation?

Oh yeah because its their own fault they are where they are... they must be inferior.. thats what you are really saying.

Raw statistics prove very little. We have no way of knowing how those statistics were formed, nor does it show a direct correlation between the statistics and your conclusion of racism. More black people are involved in violent crimes than are white people per capita. Is it racist to draw conclusions from this? Can we even draw any specific conclusions from this? Not really. Yet that is one of the many tactics the media use to sway popular opinion each and every day. You yourself are attempting to use this same tactic here and now.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

so landlord B sells his Mexican pueblo low to sell quick, problem is landlord C takes it, Landlord B already got an offer from Buyer A but is much happier with cash up front from Landlord C. House hits the market a month later with 50-100 on top and the buyer still takes it up the *** because for the same money he could have had American made house from Landlord A. you might be schooled smart but a real world idiot.

I told him you just wouldnt get it.

Argue with supply and demand all you like idiot.

Most people translates to middle class. As long as there is an unemployment rate Juan has competition. Because Juan has that job and theyre unemployed, theyre on government teet, which the middle class contributes. So how does the middle class, or most people, gain from Juan?

the middle class arent applying for the same jobs Juan. Most people in America arent landscapers, dishwashers, and farm laborers.

Juan doesn't have the skills required to compete for middle class jobs.

Most people benefit from Juan because they get cheaper yard care, cheaper meals in restaurants and cheaper food from the grocery store. Overall they experience a net gain.

To limit the majorities interaction with Juan has a bigger cost than to protect the narrow interest of a few.

I have a feeling you're just never going to be able comprehend even this simplistic argument.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Why do blacks make .64 cents on the dollar when compared to whites? Why is the rate of infant mortality higher? Why are their lifespans overall shorter? Why aren't they represented equally in higher education or the political system?
Its nice to think of yourself as unprejudiced and 'color blind', ignorantly believing everyone has equal opportunities in America. However when you look at the demographics its pretty easy to see that it isn't true. If it is true, then why do people of color seem to get the shaft? Are they biologically or culturally inferior? Why are there such discrepancies in the stats if America is just and everyone truly has the same opportunities?

I'm not defending affirmative action but to all the people who want it to end, what do you propose to close the gap? Ive never heard any better ideas (or any ideas at all) from the people who call for its end.

Its nice to try and get all ideological and pretend that everything is ok; blame the victim for their situation. Nonetheless, ideology doesn't do shit about the problem.

the wheels of change move alot slower than we'd like, but a culture can't be changed overnight. it's subtlties and the birth rate that changes a culture, especially one that changed as much as ours. i think we should drop the health care initiative, debate it, and in the meantime use a sh!t ton of the stimulus money to fund education, particularly in areas that are impoverished. when you need to improve the "sustainability" (focus group approved)of a society, you do it through educating youth, but instead, we give billions to rich white millionaires who apparently hold the key to us surving or failing. great times are coming.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

we go off personal experiences, and that's one of mine. my mother owns a business in arizona and she loves hiring mexican people. they work harder and never call in. i get that. so it helps my family as a whole more, but it's the emotional trauma of being replaced by a 5'4 mexican who will shovel sh!t into trailers for 6$ an hour. what chance do i have as a poor white ex-con uneducated doofus.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crying.gif.ec0ebefe590df0251476573bc49e46d8.gif

i am unconvinced by your anecdotal evidence.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

i am unconvinced by your anecdotal evidence.

anecdotal evidence. aren't alot of the liberal agenda's driven by anecdotal evidence and emotional stories? even better and more emotional stories than mine, if you can believe it. my story should be enough to persuade at least 100 people.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

but they aren't controlling the agenda better. the dems won in a landslide on the senatorial front, the congressional front, and the presidential front. the liberal media destroyed fox, talk radio, and internet based political coverage. we're not even into the big newspapers yet. if fox was so good at propoganda, they would have been able to prop up george bush better and save at least some seats congress. i object to you assertion that fox is better at it. the liberals have been planning this for years and they got their guy. the owner of NBC is in the presidents administration for gods sake!! come on man.

there was no senate landslide.

Your attributing Obama's victory to the media and leaving Bush's performance out of the equation.

I believe they are more effective.

Let's just disagree.

 

[Long_Wang9740 10+ year member]

You are right. Economies are hella gay. **** that noise.
Who needs em anyway?

You do.

-When you need to fap, Sativa Rose and Jenaveve Jolie are there to get that nut outta the way.

-When you're tired of your bish's nagging about dumb shit, you got the best weed Mexico has birthed.

-And if you're black, you gotta love hot sauce on your chicken my nigguh, come on. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

See that! WE ARE HELLA IMPORTANT!!!

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

symbolic racism - while rejecting stereotypes and blatant discrimination, this form of racism involves opposition to any social policy that would enable minorities to escape their disadvantaged position in American society. Symbolic racism appears to be based on a belief, apparently learned in childhood socialization, that blacks are getting unfair advantages that violate basic American norms such as individualism and self-reliance. A key element of this form of prejudice appears to be a denial of the presence of racial inequality in society.
For whites, believing in the existence of equal opportunities provides a sense of diminished responsibility for racial inequality. Thus, whites can think of themselves as accepting, unprejudiced people without having to acknowledge that they live and benefit from a society where race makes a huge difference in opportunity. They do this by denying or being unaware of the great inequality in their society, which then they do not have to face. By doing so they can maintain a myth that society is color-blind, and that race not only should not matter, but doesn't matter. Instead of admitting the inequalities found in American society, they can blame any disadvantage they see minorities suffer on the minorities themselves.

Read my post above this then try to say that any of what you said makes any sense LOL. I will also bring to the front that most left winger activists also use tactics from "Rules for Radicals" which uses race and economic class warfare. It is pretty ****ing considering VISTA under Jimmy Carter bought tens of thousands of the books with tax payer money to be sent out nationwide with tax payer money and then attempted to destroy any evidence of what they were trying to accomplish. Two to four years prior to that community organizers bankrupted NYC in 1974 or 1975 to change the government by teaching people how to illegally use welfare/get on welfare and placing financial burden on the city and state. The same process has been advanced and taught via "community organizing" ever since in dealing with such things as lowering loan standards from banks.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

How is me saying you are using a form of logic you already discreditted to further your agenda me taking your comments to him as relevant to our discussion? You are starting to lose coherence.

I actually found your statement (the one i quoted) as incoherent. I interpreted it as claiming i had an agenda in my dealings with him which i didnt, other than to point out the flaw in his logic.

'Simply' using his logic to discredit him is pretty silly when the very sentence before you claim his logic holds no merit. His logic either holds no rational basis, or you can use it against him. You attempt to walk both sides of that aisle. It doesn't take a poly-sci major to see the flaw in that reasoning.

If he claimed all fords were perfect vehicles while i was giving him a ride to a repair shop to pick up his broken car, and then i pointed out where we were going, it doesnt mean fords are perfect or that i was illogical in pointing that out.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

You phrase it popular i say effective. Lets examine what popular implies, namely that more people watch them. What does this tell us? That more people are exposed and buy into their propaganda.
They're more effective.

The electorate has a short memory and i highly doubt anyone will remember what any news outlet said this far away from the 2012 election. If he still has his base, those people who believe in him no matter what the ALL news outlets say, they will still support him and he will run.

However, as i have claimed from the beginning, i believe they have abandoned him because they value and want a family values candidate.

How should they have asked the question?

So because Fox news has more viewers than any other news organization, this means their tactics are more 'effective'? That's circular logic, just as unfair as someone who claims that more viewers = more truth. And furthermore, it implies that Fox somehow is more devious than their counterparts... again merely based on the fact they have higher ratings.
The population does have a short memory for specifics, but they remember very well whom they like and dislike. The media has attempted to put as bad a taste in our mouths for Sanford as possible. This does not go away quickly. Sure by 2012 alot of people wont remember why, but they will remember they dont like the guy. If the memory of the population works as you claim, there would be no need for the presidential election process start well over a year before we actually vote.

I agree Reps want a family values candidate. Where we disagree is not with his supporters, but with his opposition. Again CNN was all over the Clinton angle of it didnt affect his ability to govern.... I dare you to find one piece of CNN coverage on the Sanford case that addresses this angle. Whether his supporters would buy it or not is not the point... the point is CNN has no desire to even attempt such a task, because it does not fit their own agenda. Im not claiming Fox does not do this as well. The difference between you and I is you are trying to claim the side you disagree with is somehow 'worse'.

And that's not even addressing the fact that, imo, its a sad state of affairs to say an entire section of our society finds family values and honesty unimportant to being the most powerful politician in our country.

There is no unbiased way to ask the question, again not the point. The point is they could, would and did chose to word the question in a manner that groomed an expected answer. Two examples:

1) "Would the president having a relationship with Monica Lewinski affect his ability to govern our country?"

2) "Would the president being caught being dishonest affect your view of his ability to effectively govern our country?"

Clinton did, after all, lie about it, quite blatantly. One form of the question poses it as merely a relationship with a woman, while the other highlights the dishonesty aspect of the scandal. Take a statistics class. Its easy to groom answers from people simply based on how you word the question.