why that was nice

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Raw statistics prove very little. We have no way of knowing how those statistics were formed, nor does it show a direct correlation between the statistics and your conclusion of racism. More black people are involved in violent crimes than are white people per capita. Is it racist to draw conclusions from this? Can we even draw any specific conclusions from this? Not really. Yet that is one of the many tactics the media use to sway popular opinion each and every day. You yourself are attempting to use this same tactic here and now.

I just asked questions.

Raw statistics are just data.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

there was no senate landslide.
Your attributing Obama's victory to the media and leaving Bush's performance out of the equation.

I believe they are more effective.

Let's just disagree.

i'm not leaving bush's performance out of it. we both know it was widely in the media, but so was the trashing of sarah palin and joe the plumber. as much as i don't think palin should have been on the ticket in the first place, the liberal media was brutal, as they are with everyone they disagree with. they personalize, ridicule and attempt to discredit, and 90% of it is personal attacks based on political bias, bearing no actual fact or intellectual pause for reason. it's a jump reaction and has been bred into our culture. just as the jump reaction is to discredit health care protests and tea baggers(//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif)

as all just being racist and ignorant, as the seiu and acorn send in plants holding racist signs. i've done it. it doesn't even pay very well.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

there was no senate landslide.
Your attributing Obama's victory to the media and leaving Bush's performance out of the equation.

I believe they are more effective.

Let's just disagree.

you do realize the senate has 58 democrats and 2 independants who vote democratic? 40 republicans. they gained 0 ground. almost philibuster proof. those dam blue dogs.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I just asked questions.
Raw statistics are just data.

And that right there shows you have never taken a statistics class. Am I right? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Of course I am.
Even statisticians admit that statistics can be manipulated to suit an agenda.

You are starting to wade in over your head, perhaps you should swim back towards shore.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

And that right there shows you have never taken a statistics class. Am I right? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Of course I am.
Even statisticians admit that statistics can be manipulated to suit an agenda.

You are starting to wade in over your head, perhaps you should swim back towards shore.

i wonder if libs trust carl rove's poll numbers?

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

i wonder if libs trust carl rove's poll numbers?

Exactly.

 

[kfx450r 10+ year member]

I do not care for politics.

/thread

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

So because Fox news has more viewers than any other news organization, this means their tactics are more 'effective'? That's circular logic, just as unfair as someone who claims that more viewers = more truth. And furthermore, it implies that Fox somehow is more devious than their counterparts... again merely based on the fact they have higher ratings.
The population does have a short memory for specifics, but they remember very well whom they like and dislike. The media has attempted to put as bad a taste in our mouths for Sanford as possible. This does not go away quickly. Sure by 2012 alot of people wont remember why, but they will remember they dont like the guy. If the memory of the population works as you claim, there would be no need for the presidential election process start well over a year before we actually vote.

I agree Reps want a family values candidate. Where we disagree is not with his supporters, but with his opposition. Again CNN was all over the Clinton angle of it didnt affect his ability to govern.... I dare you to find one piece of CNN coverage on the Sanford case that addresses this angle. Whether his supporters would buy it or not is not the point... the point is CNN has no desire to even attempt such a task, because it does not fit their own agenda. Im not claiming Fox does not do this as well. The difference between you and I is you are trying to claim the side you disagree with is somehow 'worse'.

And that's not even addressing the fact that, imo, its a sad state of affairs to say an entire section of our society finds family values and honesty unimportant to being the most powerful politician in our country.

There is no unbiased way to ask the question, again not the point. The point is they could, would and did chose to word the question in a manner that groomed an expected answer. Two examples:

1) "Would the president having a relationship with Monica Lewinski affect his ability to govern our country?"

2) "Would the president being caught being dishonest affect your view of his ability to effectively govern our country?"

Clinton did, after all, lie about it, quite blatantly. One form of the question poses it as merely a relationship with a woman, while the other highlights the dishonesty aspect of the scandal. Take a statistics class. Its easy to groom answers from people simply based on how you word the question.

omg going over and over this is boring and tedious.

If you want to believe that Sanford wont win just because CNN stated the obvious, and that it had nothing to do with his own actions and how his base feels about that, you just keep believing that and we will disagree.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

FedEx/UPS compete just fine with the USPS. Private school seem to do just fine against public schools.

The postal service gets tax dollars.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Exactly.

i have a belief that these subtlties in thinking. these manipulations of the public will some day turn into a serious disenfranchisement problem for the government. as they try to clamp down more and more, it will perpetuate itself into a collapse of the system, the likes of which is impossible to predict. i'm a glass 1/2 full guy kinda. after the cloward and piven strategy actually works, what's left?

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

I do not care for politics.
/thread

you might wanna start, since people are voting politics into your life more and more every year.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

The postal service gets tax dollars.

and i believe they are forcing charter schools out in washington DC. imagine that. government not liking schools that actually work competing with their crappy ones. possibly a precusor to health insurance?

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

The postal service gets tax dollars.

wrong.

http://www.nalc.org/postal/perform/selfsufficient.html#subsidize

Even if that were true.. i'd bet that FedEx/UPS both get some tax breaks subsidies.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

anecdotal evidence. aren't alot of the liberal agenda's driven by anecdotal evidence and emotional stories? even better and more emotional stories than mine, if you can believe it. my story should be enough to persuade at least 100 people.

well if you convinced 100 with your crap than i probably reached tens of thousands with all my posts today //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

wrong.

http://www.nalc.org/postal/perform/selfsufficient.html#subsidize

Even if that were true.. i'd bet that FedEx/UPS both get some tax breaks subsidies.

every corporation gets tax breaks. the only way fedex, DHL and ups make profit is overseas shipping, which the post office doesn't do, but they have to keep an american base using national shipping. we should have a debate on eliminating the post office completely, except for federal/state government institution to institution mail. and military mail. let the private sector do it. we'd probably end up sending letters for 20 cents by slowly eliminating it.