WHIS HAS MORE SPL ? 1 15" Cerwin Vega Stroker , Or 2 12" Alpine Type R's? MORE BASS??

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

voice it but at least look at how it will be read.

I know exactly how it will be read.

 

[RFCV 10+ year member]

No experience with the stroker pro, but the stroker makes a crappy SPL woofer.

Did you not read the link from CV that jntar posted with the Stroker making a World Record of 175.5dB and all the other WR it has done?

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

Did you not read the link from CV that jntar posted with the Stroker making a World Record of 175.5dB and all the other WR it has done?

He was talking about the new stroker. I misunderstood him //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

that was on an old meter that score wouldnt be 170 today. loudest single cv stroker i heard of and seen in street was a single 15 in a crx 153 or 154 that wouldnt be a 150 by todays meters either

 

[RFCV 10+ year member]

I don't think it's too fair to compare an older sub to a newer one.

Why? Just because the older might beat the newer.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[RFCV 10+ year member]

He was talking about the new stroker. I misunderstood him //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

It would be good if people specified: Old Stroker, New Stroker and Stroker Pro, since there are 3 different models now.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/idea.gif.5acb6a39a9b92425414c316dda202bad.gif

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Why? Just because the older might beat the newer.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

the meters measure totally diff now that 175.5 would be a 169ish score today

 

[Spkrman]

In YOUR vehicle
again in YOUR vehicle

I did EXTENSIVE testing... I'm not sure if you can even fathom how many boxes I've had the strokers and the type R's in...

The stroker does nothing below 45hz... it can have great output at low power levels, but it is just entirely too easy to bottom it out... it also takes a BIG box to get it to effeciantly tune low. The stroker also sounds like arse once it gets going...

The type R spanks the stroker until 50hz+... where the R craps out and the stroker starts getting loud... I'll take a type R 12 over a Stroker 15 in terms of daily driving. The R sounds better and has MUCH more output in the typical music range...

This stuff isn't vehicle dependant, which btw, I've done testing in multiple vehicles //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif

There is a bandwagon...It goes something like this...

"What sub should I get?" TYPE R ITS THE BEST

F it the list would never end. Ill admit it performs well in your ride and in a few others. Again, nothing aginst the speaker, it is what it is. I am against the BS bandwagon, just as I was against the RE and SS bull crap bandwagons where the speakers is the end all to all audio.

The type R 12 is under 150... it hangs with almost *any* woofer as far as daily driving when you use it properly... excuse me if that fits ALOT of applications and budgets!! Why the heck would you pay more to get similar performance???

I dont want a stroker pro, I dont want an R. I am happy with what I have. You boys are no better then the RE bandwagon. Remember go type R or go home...Its Teh Best!!!

Actually... we've tested the type R to be better overall than the SX... and even going retail the type R is 1: average about $100 cheaper and 2: AVAILABLE EVERYWHERE...

So technically, this "bandwagon" is better //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Nothing against you Mark, I just get fed up with all the BS when it comes to choosing a setup. People only recommend one thing. The local boner.

Objective test results... you dont see me throwing around rec's because I "think" the woofer will work better... I know because I have TESTED it to work better, repeatedly. This goes for amps, speakers... WHATEVER.

I have no incentive to use or recommend the R... yet I do both, why? Because the dam thing costs nothing and its hand in hand with woofers costing 3-4x its price... even the RETAIL price on the R...

 

[Spkrman]

that was on an old meter that score wouldnt be 170 today. loudest single cv stroker i heard of and seen in street was a single 15 in a crx 153 or 154 that wouldnt be a 150 by todays meters either

i got a 149.x in my monte with one 15, this was in the kick, of course.

my wall with 2 of em and a whopping 1600 (measured) watts did a 154.0 in the kick

The strokers make KILLER low power high note SPL woofs //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Knowing what I know now, and having the blazer... that 154 would have been a 156+ off that same power... and it definitely could have broken a 60 with more juice.

Then again, the dual type R 12 setup in the blaze now does a 151.0 at the headrest... and holds it until i turn it down lmfao.

 

[RFCV 10+ year member]

It was THE woofer in the mid/late 90's...

Early 90's and early 2000//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

the stroker only has the advantage at very high fart notes...

Like I stated before, I have read excellent reviews where it has great SQ and SPL.

 

[RFCV 10+ year member]

the meters measure totally diff now that 175.5 would be a 169ish score today

It does not specify exactly what meter was used, just dB Drag in 2002. My question is this: Has dB Drag used other meters other than the TermLab and when did the TermLab meter first began (year)? I remember seeing the first version of it when it was 'globe' looking. Now it is a little box.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I'm not a moron, I was asking his opinion on them..

that wasn't my intent. Sorry for coming off that way.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

It does not specify exactly what meter was used, just dB Drag in 2002. My question is this: Has dB Drag used other meters other than the TermLab and when did the TermLab meter first began (year)? I remember seeing the first version of it when it was 'globe' looking. Now it is a little box.

they up grade tl every year gets harder and harder

 

[RFCV 10+ year member]

they up grade tl every year gets harder and harder

Well, at least the score was on a old TermLab instead of a old AudioControl. The old AC most likely is much higher of a score than even the old TL. So, in other words, the score is at least somewhat legit in TRUE metering today.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Well, at least the score was on a old TermLab instead of a old AudioControl. The old AC most likely is much higher of a score than even the old TL. So, in other words, the score is at least somewhat legit in TRUE metering today.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

NOT world records get thrown out every year and old tl is alot diff like i said it used to be a mic not so anymore its a sensor box. look at the records iirc you will see a big drop between 02 records and 03 (might be between 03 and 04) every year it gets 1-3 db harder