What Obamacare has in store for you

[Durango03 10+ year member]

Thanks DoesDad, I pride myself on following politics closely. Its THE ONLY voice we have in this country, but sadly the majority of citizens dont express that same interest. Politics in America is a fvcking joke BECAUSE of the People. Can anyone deny Obama is flashy? The guy danced around during campaign trail in 2008 (admittedly a good dancer, but COMPLETELY distracted people from the issues). Politics of 21st century =3 ring circus.

I HATE that people pick their candidates by his POW status during 'nam, his skin color, his flashy dance moves, their friends/families opinions. And as far as making your voice count all I have to say is in 1800 would our ancestors have took up a tent city in a park and smoked pot in protest, or would they have stormed the castle? Pissing and moaning accomplishes nothing, but it is our RIGHT set forth by our iron footed american heritage to express our rage and convey the message that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

WSJ Chief Economist: 75% of Obamacare Costs Will Fall on Backs of Those Making $120K or Less - YouTube

 

[Durango03 10+ year member]

While it should be evident with the "tax breaks for higher levels of healthcare" (Ignorant terms being less money paid out for rich healthcare packages) and "subsidized healthcare for poverty level citizens" (Ignorant terms being free healthcare for the poor) that the money MUST come from somewhere, people will still argue that this is a good plan. It's ok working class citizens, your pitching for the bill of the entire country. I know in 1st grade math you were taught 2+2=4. Well we have 3 classes (Rich, Working middle, and Poor.. No gray area's) Rich=tax breaks, poor=free; therefore 3-2=1... 1 class left to take the hit.

With that being said I have to agree that using Youtube links as an information source is almost as bad as wikipedia. Its mostly speculation and conspiracy theory.

 

[quackhead 10+ year member]

I can find a million videos saying anything i want.Our president is not a socialist. That video was really misleading since Reagan had one of the worst ideas ever in "Trickle down" Economics as were the rich gets all the breaks and money and it "trickles down" to the working man. But without the "working man" those products and services those companies sell would be nowhere,lets see the ceo's put on reg clothes or the uniform to do those jobs. The whole idea is just silly that people use the word socialism, its helping the working man. The one who makes the things this country needs.

The rich should pay there share its only fair when you give crappy pay and no benefits to the people who make these companies their money. No one with wealth needs to worry about things like health insurance but the man who works 60 hours a week cant afford it and its tough **** eh?

TBH it seems like the word socialist is nothing but code for the N word when using it to describe our president. Thats just as dumb as still calling him Muslim.

now, now...don't be a racist...there is no call for that here

ps..how many "Czars" do we the people have in government now that he is prez?

 

[E-Rock 10+ year member]

Flat tax is good and fair for everyone. Say it's 10%

Rich guy with $2,000,000 = $200,000 in taxes.

Poor guy with $20,000 = $2,000 in taxes.

See, the rich still pay more in taxes but everyone is equally paying their share. I don't see how people can't figure this out.

 

[05fronty 5,000+ posts]

i'll prob lose my insurance from work from this bullshit, then have to pay out of pocket for health insurance for my family. so yes this is a tax on my family

 

[THATpurpleKUSH 5,000+ posts]

So I noticed that all the people who complained about Obama care never offered up a better solution, since they claim to know everything and what is best for everyone.

Obama care isn't perfect, but it sure beats the republican idea for healthcare- 1. Don't get sick 2. If you get sick, die quickly.

 

[Imtjnotu 5,000+ posts]

 

[rebelfromva 10+ year member]

how will this effect people with federal jobs with provided insurance?

 

[Under Pressure 10+ year member]

OBAMA'S CURRENT LIST OF HISTORICAL FIRSTS:
• First President to Preside Over a Cut to the Credit Rating of the United States Government

• First President to Violate the War Powers Act

• First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels

• First President to issue an unlawful "recess-appointment" while the U.S. Senate remained in session (against the advice of his own Justice Department).

• First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico

• First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law

• First President to Chair the UN Security Council, which violates Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution

• First President to halt deportations of illegal aliens and grant them work permits, a form of stealth amnesty roughly equivalent to "The DREAM Act", which could not pass Congress

• First President to Require All Americans to Purchase a Product From a Third Party

• First President to Spend a Trillion Dollars on 'Shovel-Ready' Jobs -- and Later Admit There Was No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Jobs

• First President to sue states for requiring valid IDs to vote, even though the same administration requires valid IDs to travel by air

• First President to Abrogate Bankruptcy Law to Turn Over Control of Companies to His Union Supporters

• First President to sign into law a bill that permits the government to "hold anyone suspected of being associated with terrorism indefinitely, without any form of due process. No indictment. No judge or jury. No evidence. No trial. Just an indefinite jail sentence."

• First President to Bypass Congress and Implement the DREAM Act Through Executive Fiat

• First President to Threaten Insurance Companies After They Publicly Spoke out on How Obamacare Helped Cause their Rate Increases

• First President to Threaten an Auto Company (Ford) After It Publicly Mocked Bailouts of GM and Chrysler

• First President to "Order a Secret Amnesty Program that Stopped the Deportations of Illegal Immigrants Across the U.S., Including Those With Criminal Convictions"

• First President to Demand a Company Hand Over $20 Billion to One of His Political Appointees

• First President to Terminate America's Ability to Put a Man into Space.

• First President to Encourage Racial Discrimination and Intimidation at Polling Places

• First President to Have a Law Signed By an 'Auto-pen' Without Being "Present"

• First President to Arbitrarily Declare an Existing Law Unconstitutional and Refuse to Enforce It

• First President to Tell a Major Manufacturing Company In Which State They Are Allowed to Locate a Factory

• First President to refuse to comply with a House Oversight Committee subpoena.

• First President to File Lawsuits Against the States He Swore an Oath to Protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN, etc.)

• First President to Withdraw an Existing Coal Permit That Had Been Properly Issued Years Ago

• First President to Fire an Inspector General of Americorps for Catching One of His Friends in a Corruption Case

• First President to Propose an Executive Order Demanding Companies Disclose Their Political Contributions to Bid on Government Contracts

• First President to allow Mexican police to conduct law enforcement activities on American soil

• First President to Golf 90 or More Times in His First Three Years in Office

• First President to add more to the National Debt than ALL the previous President's before him.

And lets be honest.. The only "First" the history books will read is "FIRST african american president"...

Oh I think Durango03 did a pretty good job of that with the list above. Why don't you try and dispute some of that. Oh and by the way, I'm 40 years old and my Mother's dead. Who is your source for factual news? MSNBS with that nice little boy Rachel Maddow? Or perhaps you prefer Chris "tingles" Matthews? All I can say is I'm cleaning my guns and getting ready. You should be doing the same....

Again not factual , one glimpse shows me this list in no where near accurate, just rhetoric from a blog. Im so sure i can name so many other "1st" like these for past few presidents.

such as

Reagan/Bush era S&L scandal or Iran Contra all the way to the excessive vacationing by GW. More than any other president. Or the few days he went missing while Katrina killed people. O yeah allowing oil speculators control the oil markets to squeeze the life out of already struggling Americans. Patriot act anyone? War in Iraq (where did those wmd's go?)

And so he spent money trying to recoup America instead of wasted Billions on unproven wars. Bush did NOTHING while in office to help the people being hit the worse. Saved so many jobs. Where do i get my info??

LIFE

Im 3nd generation auto worked. Ford Motor Company (Local uaw 813 in Atlanta) i know what its like to have the "protection" of the union if you say they doint keep companies honest your full of ****. I watched as the Jobs disappeared. This was way before Obama, saw the housing bubble collapse, before Obama.

And out of all those things listed in that blog list above none of it even will generally apply to most reading these posts. Those who even believe in that list above are idiots to do so. Just another piece of propaganda put out to dissuade you from the fact he inherited a huge cluster **** and has to make tuff decisions to steer us back on path. The old saying it takes money to make money right? I dont need any show to tell me what to think i pick up books or look up things i dont understand to fully comprehend.

So you go ahead and get your guns ready. For what exactly again now? Because STILL mo one has anything factual to say, i can go dig up blog lists too.

 

[Under Pressure 10+ year member]

I have a list too.

Obama Administration’s Achievements (Thus Far) » Obama's Achievements Center

 

[Under Pressure 10+ year member]

i'll prob lose my insurance from work from this bullshit, then have to pay out of pocket for health insurance for my family. so yes this is a tax on my family

I cant see how this is even possible. Please explain?

 

[Durango03 10+ year member]

Again not factual , one glimpse shows me this list in no where near accurate, just rhetoric from a blog. Im so sure i can name so many other "1st" like these for past few presidents.such as

Reagan/Bush era S&L scandal or Iran Contra all the way to the excessive vacationing by GW. More than any other president. Or the few days he went missing while Katrina killed people. O yeah allowing oil speculators control the oil markets to squeeze the life out of already struggling Americans. Patriot act anyone? War in Iraq (where did those wmd's go?)

And so he spent money trying to recoup America instead of wasted Billions on unproven wars. Bush did NOTHING while in office to help the people being hit the worse. Saved so many jobs. Where do i get my info??

LIFE

Im 3nd generation auto worked. Ford Motor Company (Local uaw 813 in Atlanta) i know what its like to have the "protection" of the union if you say they doint keep companies honest your full of ****. I watched as the Jobs disappeared. This was way before Obama, saw the housing bubble collapse, before Obama.

And out of all those things listed in that blog list above none of it even will generally apply to most reading these posts. Those who even believe in that list above are idiots to do so. Just another piece of propaganda put out to dissuade you from the fact he inherited a huge cluster **** and has to make tuff decisions to steer us back on path. The old saying it takes money to make money right? I dont need any show to tell me what to think i pick up books or look up things i dont understand to fully comprehend.

So you go ahead and get your guns ready. For what exactly again now? Because STILL mo one has anything factual to say, i can go dig up blog lists too.

LMFAO!!! Are you kidding me?? Not factual? EVERYTHING on that list IS INDEED FACT. Its inarguable. Everyone of those things DID happen. Its not opinion or speculation. He DID pass every law on that list. He DID fire the Inspector General who exposed his friends corruption. He DID blantatly disobey the wishes of the Supreme Court. He WAS held into contemp of Court Etc. Etc. Etc.. These are FACTS. No way around it. But from what Ive noticed, talking politics with my black friends, you simply dont want to believe that the black guy is able to do such harm. And thats cool, your simply falling into the ranks of the rest of the ignorant because you fail to accept the truth.

LOL @ you BiggBoi!!! no factual... HAHAHA. Like your stance on bush tho, so glad its made up by "LIFE"... (as if the ones of us who ACTUALLY follow politics havent been "living" these last 4 years? Just admit your wrong, and walk away)

Btw, Comparing Bush to Obama probably isnt the best route to go with this one. Keep in mind the guy did leave office with somewhere around a 28% approval rating..

EDIT: I come to this forum for car audio, and politics is one topic in which people will never see eye to eye. However, since you brought up past presidents lets do a quick comparison with clinton.

Clinton: (Greatest Economics president is decades!!) Lied in court about fellatio. Was seriously considered for an Impeachment for doing so.

Obama: Was held in contempt of court, and in separate incident basically told supreme justices to F-off and urged people to disobey implemented policies/laws

This that being said, believe what you want. Polls show 60% of Americans disapprove of Obama's actions, and if history does indeed repeat itself, he will most likely get another 4 years and leave office shamed, hated, and an approval rating of 20% similar to Bush. But hey, as Americans we all bring it upon our self for being stubborn and uneducated. Now, back to the point of this forum, Whats the deal with my amp having two RCA outputs on a monoblock?? haha

 

[Under Pressure 10+ year member]

LMFAO!!! Are you kidding me?? Not factual? EVERYTHING on that list IS INDEED FACT. Its inarguable. Everyone of those things DID happen. Its not opinion or speculation. He DID pass every law on that list. He DID fire the Inspector General who exposed his friends corruption. He DID blantatly disobey the wishes of the Supreme Court. He WAS held into contemp of Court Etc. Etc. Etc.. These are FACTS. No way around it. But from what Ive noticed, talking politics with my black friends, you simply dont want to believe that the black guy is able to do such harm. And thats cool, your simply falling into the ranks of the rest of the ignorant because you fail to accept the truth.
LOL @ you BiggBoi!!! no factual... HAHAHA. Like your stance on bush tho, so glad its made up by "LIFE"... (as if the ones of us who ACTUALLY follow politics havent been "living" these last 4 years? Just admit your wrong, and walk away)

Btw, Comparing Bush to Obama probably isnt the best route to go with this one. Keep in mind the guy did leave office with somewhere around a 28% approval rating..

This is why our political system is so weak our people have no real understanding of whats going on. You posted a blog of a billeted list from 1 source. these are not indeed factual statements. Show me a citation or a direct reference to each of the listed items. Just because one conservative took it upon himself to make a "list" does not mean it is factual. That like me saying hes Muslim and is secretly plotting to handover the US to Al-queda. Its SPECULATION of policy. You did not name any laws on that list. Just "speculation" as to why things happened.

Why does race have to be a factor of why i support the president? Could it be that color has nothing to do with it "since im not black" the assumption you made was just another "conspiracy theory" maybe after 38 years on the planet i have come to understand how things work for those making less than 250k a year in America. I have worked the factory jobs with unions and without. I don't see how this isnt "real life" experience. Also do you understand why i COMPARED GWB to Obama? To show you the difference in a president tackling tough issues and one that vacations more than any other president. Even in a time of war and disaster. No wonder his approval rating was so low.

Show me facts related to the list. Not right rhetoric. The page i put up has a reference to every point available. Its called citation. And after looking at a few things that you posted several presidents have done similar things in the past. So its nothing new.

 

[Under Pressure 10+ year member]

• First President to Preside Over a Cut to the Credit Rating of the United States Government

Ok we do remember why this happened? Congress refused to work with the president on the debt ceiling and we were nearing default on our loans. "the credit rating company said 'political brinkmanship' in the debate over the debt had made the U.S. government’s ability to manage its finances 'less stable, less effective and less predictable.' It said the bipartisan agreement reached this week to find at least $2.1 trillion in budget savings 'fell short' of what was necessary to tame the nation’s debt over time and predicted that leaders would not be likely to achieve more savings in the future.".

• First President to Violate the War Powers Act

WHAT????

War Powers Resolution of 1973 became federal law to prevent a president from committing the United States to an armed conflict without the approval from Congress. This law requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing U.S. armed forces to military action. It also limits U.S. involvement to no more than 60 days. In 2011 President Obama bypassed congressional approval for going into Libya, but he was not the first U.S. President to do so.

• First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels

This has yet to be proven all that we know is that the ATF fucked up and now they (the administration) are answering for it. By the way check out Iran/Contra.

• First President to issue an unlawful "recess-appointment" while the U.S. Senate remained in session (against the advice of his own Justice Department).

The U.S. Constitution requires that the most senior federal officers must be confirmed by the Senate before assuming office, but while the Senate is in recess the President often acts alone by making a recess appointment. To remain in effect a recess appointment must be approved by the Senate by the end of the next session of Congress, or the position becomes vacant again; in current practice this means that a recess appointment must be approved by roughly the end of the next calendar year. Recess appointments are authorized by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution.

• First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico

OK this is true but since you don't live on Florida like i do to understand at the time was the BP oil disaster which totally devastated our states tourism. This was being called for by several states.

• First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law

The constitutionality of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act has been questioned by several courts in various states in the US since it was passed into law in March 21, 2010. According to an August 12, 2011 article in Reuters a U.S. Appeals Court for the 11th Circuit, based in Atlanta ruled that it was unconstitutional to require all Americans to buy insurance or face a penalty but it unanimously reversed a lower court decision that threw out the entire law.

• First President to Chair the UN Security Council, which violates Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec9.html

Have you read this?

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.

Clarify more on this please?

• First President to halt deportations of illegal aliens and grant them work permits, a form of stealth amnesty roughly equivalent to "The DREAM Act", which could not pass Congress

This was not done is secret and according to an August 18, 2011 ABC News report, "The Obama administration announced a major change in policy for thousands of illegal immigrants going through deportation proceedings. They now may be able to stay in the country. There are currently 300,000 deportation cases making their way through the federal immigration courts, but under the new policy immigrants classified as low-priority cases could be granted a stay and a chance to apply for a work permit."

I wish i had the time to do them all. Most are which unproven claims or Fictitious propaganda There are some "truths" in there. I wont say its a perfect administration. But my problem is when people come spewing lies or bullshit that was posted almost 2 years ago. And that has been investigated or proven otherwise false.