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THATpurpleKUSH
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So I noticed that all the people who complained about Obama care never offered up a better solution, since they claim to know everything and what is best for everyone.
Obama care isn't perfect, but it sure beats the republican idea for healthcare- 1. Don't get sick 2. If you get sick, die quickly.
Obama care isn't perfect, but it sure beats the republican idea for healthcare- 1. Don't get sick 2. If you get sick, die quickly.
Imtjnotu
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rebelfromva
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how will this effect people with federal jobs with provided insurance?
Under Pressure
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Again not factual , one glimpse shows me this list in no where near accurate, just rhetoric from a blog. Im so sure i can name so many other "1st" like these for past few presidents.
such as
Reagan/Bush era S&L scandal or Iran Contra all the way to the excessive vacationing by GW. More than any other president. Or the few days he went missing while Katrina killed people. O yeah allowing oil speculators control the oil markets to squeeze the life out of already struggling Americans. Patriot act anyone? War in Iraq (where did those wmd's go?)
And so he spent money trying to recoup America instead of wasted Billions on unproven wars. Bush did NOTHING while in office to help the people being hit the worse. Saved so many jobs. Where do i get my info??
LIFE
Im 3nd generation auto worked. Ford Motor Company (Local uaw 813 in Atlanta) i know what its like to have the "protection" of the union if you say they doint keep companies honest your full of ****. I watched as the Jobs disappeared. This was way before Obama, saw the housing bubble collapse, before Obama.
And out of all those things listed in that blog list above none of it even will generally apply to most reading these posts. Those who even believe in that list above are idiots to do so. Just another piece of propaganda put out to dissuade you from the fact he inherited a huge cluster **** and has to make tuff decisions to steer us back on path. The old saying it takes money to make money right? I dont need any show to tell me what to think i pick up books or look up things i dont understand to fully comprehend.
So you go ahead and get your guns ready. For what exactly again now? Because STILL mo one has anything factual to say, i can go dig up blog lists too.
Under Pressure
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Under Pressure
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I cant see how this is even possible. Please explain?
LMFAO!!! Are you kidding me?? Not factual? EVERYTHING on that list IS INDEED FACT. Its inarguable. Everyone of those things DID happen. Its not opinion or speculation. He DID pass every law on that list. He DID fire the Inspector General who exposed his friends corruption. He DID blantatly disobey the wishes of the Supreme Court. He WAS held into contemp of Court Etc. Etc. Etc.. These are FACTS. No way around it. But from what Ive noticed, talking politics with my black friends, you simply dont want to believe that the black guy is able to do such harm. And thats cool, your simply falling into the ranks of the rest of the ignorant because you fail to accept the truth.
LOL @ you BiggBoi!!! no factual... HAHAHA. Like your stance on bush tho, so glad its made up by "LIFE"... (as if the ones of us who ACTUALLY follow politics havent been "living" these last 4 years? Just admit your wrong, and walk away)
Btw, Comparing Bush to Obama probably isnt the best route to go with this one. Keep in mind the guy did leave office with somewhere around a 28% approval rating..
EDIT: I come to this forum for car audio, and politics is one topic in which people will never see eye to eye. However, since you brought up past presidents lets do a quick comparison with clinton.
Clinton: (Greatest Economics president is decades!!) Lied in court about fellatio. Was seriously considered for an Impeachment for doing so.
Obama: Was held in contempt of court, and in separate incident basically told supreme justices to F-off and urged people to disobey implemented policies/laws
This that being said, believe what you want. Polls show 60% of Americans disapprove of Obama's actions, and if history does indeed repeat itself, he will most likely get another 4 years and leave office shamed, hated, and an approval rating of 20% similar to Bush. But hey, as Americans we all bring it upon our self for being stubborn and uneducated. Now, back to the point of this forum, Whats the deal with my amp having two RCA outputs on a monoblock?? haha
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Under Pressure
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This is why our political system is so weak our people have no real understanding of whats going on. You posted a blog of a billeted list from 1 source. these are not indeed factual statements. Show me a citation or a direct reference to each of the listed items. Just because one conservative took it upon himself to make a "list" does not mean it is factual. That like me saying hes Muslim and is secretly plotting to handover the US to Al-queda. Its SPECULATION of policy. You did not name any laws on that list. Just "speculation" as to why things happened.
Why does race have to be a factor of why i support the president? Could it be that color has nothing to do with it "since im not black" the assumption you made was just another "conspiracy theory" maybe after 38 years on the planet i have come to understand how things work for those making less than 250k a year in America. I have worked the factory jobs with unions and without. I don't see how this isnt "real life" experience. Also do you understand why i COMPARED GWB to Obama? To show you the difference in a president tackling tough issues and one that vacations more than any other president. Even in a time of war and disaster. No wonder his approval rating was so low.
Show me facts related to the list. Not right rhetoric. The page i put up has a reference to every point available. Its called citation. And after looking at a few things that you posted several presidents have done similar things in the past. So its nothing new.
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• First President to Preside Over a Cut to the Credit Rating of the United States Government
Ok we do remember why this happened? Congress refused to work with the president on the debt ceiling and we were nearing default on our loans. "the credit rating company said 'political brinkmanship' in the debate over the debt had made the U.S. government’s ability to manage its finances 'less stable, less effective and less predictable.' It said the bipartisan agreement reached this week to find at least $2.1 trillion in budget savings 'fell short' of what was necessary to tame the nation’s debt over time and predicted that leaders would not be likely to achieve more savings in the future.".
• First President to Violate the War Powers Act
WHAT????
War Powers Resolution of 1973 became federal law to prevent a president from committing the United States to an armed conflict without the approval from Congress. This law requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing U.S. armed forces to military action. It also limits U.S. involvement to no more than 60 days. In 2011 President Obama bypassed congressional approval for going into Libya, but he was not the first U.S. President to do so.
• First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels
This has yet to be proven all that we know is that the ATF fucked up and now they (the administration) are answering for it. By the way check out Iran/Contra.
• First President to issue an unlawful "recess-appointment" while the U.S. Senate remained in session (against the advice of his own Justice Department).
The U.S. Constitution requires that the most senior federal officers must be confirmed by the Senate before assuming office, but while the Senate is in recess the President often acts alone by making a recess appointment. To remain in effect a recess appointment must be approved by the Senate by the end of the next session of Congress, or the position becomes vacant again; in current practice this means that a recess appointment must be approved by roughly the end of the next calendar year. Recess appointments are authorized by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution.
• First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico
OK this is true but since you don't live on Florida like i do to understand at the time was the BP oil disaster which totally devastated our states tourism. This was being called for by several states.
• First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law
The constitutionality of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act has been questioned by several courts in various states in the US since it was passed into law in March 21, 2010. According to an August 12, 2011 article in Reuters a U.S. Appeals Court for the 11th Circuit, based in Atlanta ruled that it was unconstitutional to require all Americans to buy insurance or face a penalty but it unanimously reversed a lower court decision that threw out the entire law.
• First President to Chair the UN Security Council, which violates Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec9.html
Have you read this?
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.
Clarify more on this please?
• First President to halt deportations of illegal aliens and grant them work permits, a form of stealth amnesty roughly equivalent to "The DREAM Act", which could not pass Congress
This was not done is secret and according to an August 18, 2011 ABC News report, "The Obama administration announced a major change in policy for thousands of illegal immigrants going through deportation proceedings. They now may be able to stay in the country. There are currently 300,000 deportation cases making their way through the federal immigration courts, but under the new policy immigrants classified as low-priority cases could be granted a stay and a chance to apply for a work permit."
I wish i had the time to do them all. Most are which unproven claims or Fictitious propaganda There are some "truths" in there. I wont say its a perfect administration. But my problem is when people come spewing lies or ******** that was posted almost 2 years ago. And that has been investigated or proven otherwise false.
Ok we do remember why this happened? Congress refused to work with the president on the debt ceiling and we were nearing default on our loans. "the credit rating company said 'political brinkmanship' in the debate over the debt had made the U.S. government’s ability to manage its finances 'less stable, less effective and less predictable.' It said the bipartisan agreement reached this week to find at least $2.1 trillion in budget savings 'fell short' of what was necessary to tame the nation’s debt over time and predicted that leaders would not be likely to achieve more savings in the future.".
• First President to Violate the War Powers Act
WHAT????
War Powers Resolution of 1973 became federal law to prevent a president from committing the United States to an armed conflict without the approval from Congress. This law requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing U.S. armed forces to military action. It also limits U.S. involvement to no more than 60 days. In 2011 President Obama bypassed congressional approval for going into Libya, but he was not the first U.S. President to do so.
• First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels
This has yet to be proven all that we know is that the ATF fucked up and now they (the administration) are answering for it. By the way check out Iran/Contra.
• First President to issue an unlawful "recess-appointment" while the U.S. Senate remained in session (against the advice of his own Justice Department).
The U.S. Constitution requires that the most senior federal officers must be confirmed by the Senate before assuming office, but while the Senate is in recess the President often acts alone by making a recess appointment. To remain in effect a recess appointment must be approved by the Senate by the end of the next session of Congress, or the position becomes vacant again; in current practice this means that a recess appointment must be approved by roughly the end of the next calendar year. Recess appointments are authorized by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution.
• First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico
OK this is true but since you don't live on Florida like i do to understand at the time was the BP oil disaster which totally devastated our states tourism. This was being called for by several states.
• First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law
The constitutionality of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act has been questioned by several courts in various states in the US since it was passed into law in March 21, 2010. According to an August 12, 2011 article in Reuters a U.S. Appeals Court for the 11th Circuit, based in Atlanta ruled that it was unconstitutional to require all Americans to buy insurance or face a penalty but it unanimously reversed a lower court decision that threw out the entire law.
• First President to Chair the UN Security Council, which violates Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec9.html
Have you read this?
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.
Clarify more on this please?
• First President to halt deportations of illegal aliens and grant them work permits, a form of stealth amnesty roughly equivalent to "The DREAM Act", which could not pass Congress
This was not done is secret and according to an August 18, 2011 ABC News report, "The Obama administration announced a major change in policy for thousands of illegal immigrants going through deportation proceedings. They now may be able to stay in the country. There are currently 300,000 deportation cases making their way through the federal immigration courts, but under the new policy immigrants classified as low-priority cases could be granted a stay and a chance to apply for a work permit."
I wish i had the time to do them all. Most are which unproven claims or Fictitious propaganda There are some "truths" in there. I wont say its a perfect administration. But my problem is when people come spewing lies or ******** that was posted almost 2 years ago. And that has been investigated or proven otherwise false.
THATpurpleKUSH
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@madcad95 (and everyone else thats doing it) stop hiding behind the like and dislike buttons and enlighten us with your wisdom since you seem to know so much about Obamas failures and successes.
Please explain the correct way way that we as a country should be operating, how should all of these policies be implemented or not.
Im sick of everyone that is bitching and not offering up a single solution.
Please explain the correct way way that we as a country should be operating, how should all of these policies be implemented or not.
Im sick of everyone that is bitching and not offering up a single solution.
snoopdan
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Oh, btw the government spent about 12k to send me to India last year too. Thanks for the trip brah.
Shoot, I guess your right, I cant defend my stance on any of those conspiracies being as they were pulled from a billeted blog. Wait... no it wasnt! Since you know how to use Google, I suppose Ill give it a shot.
• First President to Preside Over a Cut to the Credit Rating of the United States Government
Ok we do remember why this happened? "WHY" is irrelevant. The point being it was indeed done. FACT #1. Thank you
• First President to Violate the War Powers Act
In 2011 President Obama bypassed congressional approval for going into Libya FACT #2. Thank you
• First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels
This has yet to be proven all that we know is that the ATF fucked up and now they (the administration) are answering for it. By the way check out Iran/Contra. Again. Irrelevant. The Iran/Contra incident has nothing to do with Mexican Drug Cartels, HOWEVER since you brought it up lets not forget Irangate did conclude with 11 convictions even though their initial reasoning for the arms trade was to save 7 American Hostages. Obama's administration will not face such charges, and doesnt even have a leg to stand on as Reagan did! FACT #3. Thank you!
• First President to issue an unlawful "recess-appointment" while the U.S. Senate remained in session (against the advice of his own Justice Department).
but while the Senate is in recess the President often acts alone by making a recess appointment. Recess appointments are authorized by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution. FACT #4. Thank you
• First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico
OK this is true FACT #5. Thank you
• First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law
U.S. Appeals Court for the 11th Circuit, based in Atlanta ruled that it was unconstitutional to require all Americans to buy insurance or face a penalty FACT #6. Thank you
• First President to Chair the UN Security Council, which violates Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution
U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 9 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
Have you read this? Clarify more on this please? Indeed I have read it, and glad clarify. Under United Nations Charter, The functions and power of the Security Council as are follows:
* to maintain international peace and security in accordance with the principles and purposes of the United Nations;
* to investigate any dispute or situation which might lead to international friction;
* to recommend methods of adjusting such disputes or the terms of settlement;
* to formulate plans for the establishment of a system to regulate armaments;
* to determine the existence of a threat to the peace or act of aggression and to recommend what action should be taken;
* to call on Members to apply economic sanctions and other measures not involving the use of force to prevent or stop aggression;
* to take military action against an aggressor;
* to recommend the admission of new Members;
* to exercise the trusteeship functions of the United Nations in “strategic areas”;
* to recommend to the General Assembly the appointment of the Secretary-General and, together with the Assembly, to elect the Judges of the International Court of Justice.
President Obama has taken it upon himself to be placed as Head Chairman of the United Nations Security Council, which clearly undermines his responsibilities as the President of the United States and violates Article 1, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution. FACT #7. Thank you
• First President to halt deportations of illegal aliens and grant them work permits, a form of stealth amnesty roughly equivalent to "The DREAM Act", which could not pass Congress
This was not done is secret and according to an August 18, 2011 ABC News report, "The Obama administration announced a major change in policy for thousands of illegal immigrants going through deportation proceedings. They now may be able to stay in the country. There are currently 300,000 deportation cases making their way through the federal immigration courts, but under the new policy immigrants classified as low-priority cases could be granted a stay and a chance to apply for a work permit." It was never claimed to be "secret" simply stealthy.. Sneaky. Sleezy. He found a backdoor policy loophole to "The DREAM Act" that congress refused to approve and ran with it. As for the "low-priority cases" (being immigrants with no criminal background), their history before entering America does not follow them. In fact it can not even be confirmed. Congrats, its Cuba all over again. Mass murderer from mexico flees to America illegally and stays under the radar. Obama implements new policy and this guy is now a model citizen?? WTF! Regardless, FACT #8. Thank you
I would actually prefer for you to go ahead and do all of them. This saved me alot of time using your amazing Google skills to confirm all the facts as opposed to hunting down my sources.
• First President to Preside Over a Cut to the Credit Rating of the United States Government
Ok we do remember why this happened? "WHY" is irrelevant. The point being it was indeed done. FACT #1. Thank you
• First President to Violate the War Powers Act
In 2011 President Obama bypassed congressional approval for going into Libya FACT #2. Thank you
• First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels
This has yet to be proven all that we know is that the ATF fucked up and now they (the administration) are answering for it. By the way check out Iran/Contra. Again. Irrelevant. The Iran/Contra incident has nothing to do with Mexican Drug Cartels, HOWEVER since you brought it up lets not forget Irangate did conclude with 11 convictions even though their initial reasoning for the arms trade was to save 7 American Hostages. Obama's administration will not face such charges, and doesnt even have a leg to stand on as Reagan did! FACT #3. Thank you!
• First President to issue an unlawful "recess-appointment" while the U.S. Senate remained in session (against the advice of his own Justice Department).
but while the Senate is in recess the President often acts alone by making a recess appointment. Recess appointments are authorized by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution. FACT #4. Thank you
• First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico
OK this is true FACT #5. Thank you
• First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law
U.S. Appeals Court for the 11th Circuit, based in Atlanta ruled that it was unconstitutional to require all Americans to buy insurance or face a penalty FACT #6. Thank you
• First President to Chair the UN Security Council, which violates Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution
U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 9 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
Have you read this? Clarify more on this please? Indeed I have read it, and glad clarify. Under United Nations Charter, The functions and power of the Security Council as are follows:
* to maintain international peace and security in accordance with the principles and purposes of the United Nations;
* to investigate any dispute or situation which might lead to international friction;
* to recommend methods of adjusting such disputes or the terms of settlement;
* to formulate plans for the establishment of a system to regulate armaments;
* to determine the existence of a threat to the peace or act of aggression and to recommend what action should be taken;
* to call on Members to apply economic sanctions and other measures not involving the use of force to prevent or stop aggression;
* to take military action against an aggressor;
* to recommend the admission of new Members;
* to exercise the trusteeship functions of the United Nations in “strategic areas”;
* to recommend to the General Assembly the appointment of the Secretary-General and, together with the Assembly, to elect the Judges of the International Court of Justice.
President Obama has taken it upon himself to be placed as Head Chairman of the United Nations Security Council, which clearly undermines his responsibilities as the President of the United States and violates Article 1, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution. FACT #7. Thank you
• First President to halt deportations of illegal aliens and grant them work permits, a form of stealth amnesty roughly equivalent to "The DREAM Act", which could not pass Congress
This was not done is secret and according to an August 18, 2011 ABC News report, "The Obama administration announced a major change in policy for thousands of illegal immigrants going through deportation proceedings. They now may be able to stay in the country. There are currently 300,000 deportation cases making their way through the federal immigration courts, but under the new policy immigrants classified as low-priority cases could be granted a stay and a chance to apply for a work permit." It was never claimed to be "secret" simply stealthy.. Sneaky. Sleezy. He found a backdoor policy loophole to "The DREAM Act" that congress refused to approve and ran with it. As for the "low-priority cases" (being immigrants with no criminal background), their history before entering America does not follow them. In fact it can not even be confirmed. Congrats, its Cuba all over again. Mass murderer from mexico flees to America illegally and stays under the radar. Obama implements new policy and this guy is now a model citizen?? WTF! Regardless, FACT #8. Thank you
I would actually prefer for you to go ahead and do all of them. This saved me alot of time using your amazing Google skills to confirm all the facts as opposed to hunting down my sources.
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