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[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

The comps I go to there's a part where u have to play three freq 10hz apart... 24hz -155db

35hz -160.5db

45hz-155db

That's with four nsv3 15s... Not bad if u ask me.

In the big picture. 5db swing *****. 3db is pushing it.

 

[Massive spl]

In the big picture. 5db swing *****. 3db is pushing it.

He just did a 151db at 21hz today lol... Kids and their wind tunnels

Lol you should see all the other cars at comps. There down like 10-15db lol its crazy

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Lol you should see all the other cars at comps. There down like 10-15db lol its crazy

I know. It's sad that it's the cool thing to do now. Even when I wanted to be as loud as possible I wouldn't give up that much. I didn't care if it would score higher.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

I know. It's sad that it's the cool thing to do now. Even when I wanted to be as loud as possible I wouldn't give up that much. I didn't care if it would score higher.

for years ive been trying to make ultra high SPL low distortion systems. they really didnt have the drivers back when i was in it and people always told me it was impossible. thats why i started building drivers.

now im devloping a completly new type of suspension thats going to change the way we look at drivers.

i can change the stifness by montering the output rails on the amp to match impedance curves almost instantly and do all kind of cool things that are just not possible with current designs. i just cant afford the ******* patient fees. it has a few down falls. its expensive to incoprorate and needs some addiontial circurty for control aspects and rebuilding drivers to incorporate the technologly but it will increase mechanical limits and can alter the way we look at speakers..

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

for years ive been trying to make ultra high SPL low distortion systems. they really didnt have the drivers back when i was in it and people always told me it was impossible. thats why i started building drivers.now im devloping a completly new type of suspension thats going to change the way we look at drivers.

i can change the stifness by montering the output rails on the amp to match impedance curves almost instantly and do all kind of cool things that are just not possible with current designs. i just cant afford the ******* patient fees. it has a few down falls. its expensive to incoprorate and needs some addiontial circurty for control aspects and rebuilding drivers to incorporate the technologly but it will increase mechanical limits and can alter the way we look at speakers..

Why don't you just learn how to install.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Why don't you just learn how to install.

you have a low output system. im talking about concert loud 140+ with very low distortion. even then the gear you use isn't' really low distortion..

mechanical distortions plauge speakers.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

you have a low output system. im talking about concert loud 140+ with very low distortion. even then the gear you use isn't' really low distortion..mechanical distortions plauge speakers.

Music itself can have distortion. And you won't get 140 plus and maintain imaging.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Music itself can have distortion. And you won't get 140 plus and maintain imaging.

dont dig yourself another hole. imaging isnt about loudness. the perception of imaging is a few things. keeping phase distortion low keeping seperation of signals uniform/linear and having ideal channel seperation highend to give the actual stereo seperation.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

dont dig yourself another hole. imaging isnt about loudness. the perception of imaging is a few things. keeping phase distortion low keeping seperation of signals uniform/linear and having ideal channel seperation highend to give the actual stereo seperation.

You forgot about reflections and the speakers themselves moving with that kind of vibration. Also for what it would take to keep up enough to still detail the spatial effects the phase would be ****

I'll keep digging

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

You forgot about reflections and the speakers themselves moving with that kind of vibration. Also for what it would take to keep up enough to still detail the spatial effects the phase would be ****
I'll keep digging

you want to learn or you going to keep repeating what i said? phase distortion is refracting/ reflection group delay etc..

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

you want to learn or you going to keep repeating what i said? phase distortion is refracting/ reflection group delay etc..

Ok. Lets see what I've learnt.

How about the illusion of up front bass? You can not get that with out the bass to mid bass transition. It's not happening. Go read some more books.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Ok. Lets see what I've learnt. How about the illusion of up front bass? You can not get that with out the bass to mid bass transition. It's not happening. Go read some more books.

you dont even know what your talking about. there is no illusion. it is simply your crossing the woofer so low that the majority of the bass spectrum is infront of you. and not to menation that subbass has very long wavelenghts and isnt very directional..

 

[Jeffdachef 5,000+ posts]

you dont even know what your talking about. there is no illusion. it is simply your crossing the woofer so low that the majority of the bass spectrum is infront of you. and not to menation that subbass has very long wavelenghts and isnt very directional..

crossing the woofer low or just lowering the sub volume? Because having the woofer play higher helps that up front image.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

you dont even know what your talking about. there is no illusion. it is simply your crossing the woofer so low that the majority of the bass spectrum is infront of you. and not to menation that subbass has very long wavelenghts and isnt very directional..

Lol. Did the library card expire because you totally screwed that one up

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Lol. Did the library card expire because you totally screwed that one up

look. i dont mind helping. dont try to try and fool people into thinking you can make me look foolish.. thats for ME to do. but thats not the case. im sure your a great tuner and understand what your doing. i respect that. ESP wth gear i dont find appesing. it shows your a good tunner. dont try to push it any futher than that. you can ask if you wish dont try to make statements and then hide when i correct you. the subjust still is im going to ruin imaging at high output levels and thats just not completey true.

we are advanceing every year. and the more we push the boundries the more we learn.. keep pushin..