So what's your plan

Technology that puts lives in danger if used improperly... I guess we should abandon the wheel.
Puts lives in danger, period. What is the safe way to dispose of radioactive toxins? "Recycle" it into energy? There's always an amount that cannot be recycled. What to do with it then, bury it in concrete lined tanks like the last 50+ years? Send it up into the air in the form of radioactive fallout so we can all turn gray and die an early death from cancer? Sounds fun to me!

Guess what, they are finally admitting to fallout on both the east and west coasts. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

The wheel can kill 100's if used improperly and we have laws against that. Nuclear doesn't limit its harm by square miles....it's called "Fallout" for a reason. The wheel might have been around for 1000's of years but the fallout will last just as long. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Too bad most people are more concerned with American Idol or the latest internet sensation..... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 
sounds like you are buying into the news station bs
candy was 1 cent a piece 30-40 years ago and now its $1...thats a HUGE jump

did people stop eating candy?

candy is a luxury , corn is more needed...people still eat candy

I ate snickers and M&Ms today, paid $2.15. I was pissed cuz 40 years ago it would of been 2 cents
you also would have made $3 per hour instead of $10 or what have you.

 
Puts lives in danger, period. What is the safe way to dispose of radioactive toxins? "Recycle" it into energy? There's always an amount that cannot be recycled. What to do with it then, bury it in concrete lined tanks like the last 50+ years? Send it up into the air in the form of radioactive fallout so we can all turn gray and die an early death from cancer? Sounds fun to me!Guess what, they are finally admitting to fallout on both the east and west coasts. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

The wheel can kill 100's if used improperly and we have laws against that. Nuclear doesn't limit its harm by square miles....it's called "Fallout" for a reason. The wheel might have been around for 1000's of years but the fallout will last just as long. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Too bad most people are more concerned with American Idol or the latest internet sensation..... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
Actually, the wheel kills far more people every day/week/year than nuclear technology. Again, if humans were to rebel against technology that has potential harmful effects when used improperly, we'd all still be living in caves, without even the use of fire to keep us warm and cook our food.

As for disposing of radioactive 'toxins' as you call it, again if the US would refine its fuel like many other countries do, we'd have less than 1% of the nuclear waste that we currently do. You ask what would we still do with that small amount.... well what do we do with the other 99% we currently 'dispose' of? The only negative to refining the fuel is our own paranoia over being able to properly control the 'weapons grade' fuel we'd create from it. And again, plenty of other countries do not limit themselves with this paranoia, so the weapons grade fuel is out there anyway.

Lastly, the ultimate solution to nuclear waste disposal is space. We currently refuse to consider that option because we are worried what the fallout (figuratively and literally) would be if the rocket exploded before it exited the atmosphere. Fair enough. But technology is on the horizon that will make space elevators possible, creating a safe way to transport the waste to space and dispose of it forever. Until that technology is developed fully, we'd simply bury it, like we do now. But again, if we refined it, we'd have one hell of a lot less fuel to bury until that time than we currently do.

You have a lot of reasons why we should abandon nuclear energy, but Ive yet to see you give one solid alternative. Develop wind and solar power? Sounds great, except that puts us right back in the same boat of waiting for a new technology to be developed, meanwhile we still have the same problems you mention in this thread. And even the environmental extremists are starting to raise hell about wind generators, because they 'kill birds'. There are some new developments in solar tech that look promising, but still do not currently exist in a form that would provide significant amounts of energy to power an entire civilization.

 
my plan.......

survival gear.... clothing / tents / knives / & a pair of US army desert boots //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

ration packs & water reserves (tinned & dry)

map & compass (just incase a tsunami removes most landmarks....just incase)

12ga shotgun & enough shells to sink a ship

large stock of batteries & medical supplies

the world can do what it likes from this point on b/c im pretty sure i'll be able to sustain my family through some serious s**t....lol:laugh:

 
audioholic, I can't believe you just suggested outer space as dumping ground! What do you think will happen to it then? Just float around for eternity until it bumps into some other planet or star? You think its going to magically gravitate towards the sun and be consumed by it? NASA has been using it as a dumping ground for years and is now discovering that the space junk just comes back to haunt them in the form of high speed projectiles. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Radiation is no laughing matter. If you've ever had an extreme sunburn, that's the tip of the iceberg when it comes to pain.

I already suggested that we stay with clean burning coal energy. There are no harmful emissions with modern coal technology. We have a huge abundance of coal and its not disappearing soon. We can also develop hydrogen electrical and fuel generation that doesn't require propane or natural gas to start the cracking effect.

Wind, solar and some forms of hydro-electric (float type, not dam type) have zero affect on the environment. Environmental extremists don't care about wind turbines affecting the bird population. I'm sure there's some wacko out there that's said something about it, but the majority of environmentalists don't feel that way.

You'd better come up with a good idea before you spout it. I haven't heard one argument that would prevent all the hazards of nuclear energy. You keep saying how if people are "safe" with it, then its not a problem. ITS IMPOSSIBLE. There is no safety with nuclear waste. You even said that there is still an amount of waste they can't recycle....... What then? Blast it to space is your only argument?

 
audioholic, I can't believe you just suggested outer space as dumping ground! What do you think will happen to it then? Just float around for eternity until it bumps into some other planet or star? You think its going to magically gravitate towards the sun and be consumed by it? NASA has been using it as a dumping ground for years and is now discovering that the space junk just comes back to haunt them in the form of high speed projectiles. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Radiation is no laughing matter. If you've ever had an extreme sunburn, that's the tip of the iceberg when it comes to pain.
I already suggested that we still with clean burning coal energy. There are no harmful emissions with modern coal technology. We have a huge abundance of coal and its not disappearing soon. We can also develop hydrogen electrical and fuel generation that doesn't require propane or natural gas to start the cracking effect.

Wind, solar and some forms of hydro-electric (float type, not dam type) have zero affect on the environment. Environmental extremists don't care about wind turbines affecting the bird population. I'm sure there's some wacko out there that's said something about it, but the majority of environmentalists don't feel that way.

You'd better come up with a good idea before you spout it. I haven't heard one argument that would prevent all the hazards of nuclear energy. You keep saying how if people are "safe" with it, then its not a problem. ITS IMPOSSIBLE. There is no safety with nuclear waste. You even said that there is still an amount of waste they can't recycle....... What then? Blast it to space is your only argument?
Uhm, the space debris you are referring to are damaged satellites, in orbit. When did I say 'lets put nuclear waste in a decaying earth orbit'...? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif Talk about 'spouting'.

If you want to get technical, there is no energy control technology that doesn't affect the environment. Float style turbines slow water speed, which affects the environment. Even solar technology affects solar energy absorbed by the environment (especially if we are talking about being used on an entire civilization sized scale). The killing birds comment was to remind us that there is no technology, even one as seemingly innocuous as wind generators, that does not affect the environment (as your naive view contends). Wind technology is no exception. Who is to say that if we built vast wind farms to absorb the energy put into the atmosphere in the form of moving air, that we wont affect bird migrations, weather patterns and temperature dispursement, etc? There is no way of removing energy from our environment that wont affect our environment. Knowing that, we need to focus on what's possible now, what's realistic, and what's most likely for the immediate future. The rest is just hocus pocus.

 
audioholic, I can't believe you just suggested outer space as dumping ground! What do you think will happen to it then? Just float around for eternity until it bumps into some other planet or star? You think its going to magically gravitate towards the sun and be consumed by it? NASA has been using it as a dumping ground for years and is now discovering that the space junk just comes back to haunt them in the form of high speed projectiles. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Radiation is no laughing matter. If you've ever had an extreme sunburn, that's the tip of the iceberg when it comes to pain.
I already suggested that we stay with clean burning coal energy. There are no harmful emissions with modern coal technology. We have a huge abundance of coal and its not disappearing soon. We can also develop hydrogen electrical and fuel generation that doesn't require propane or natural gas to start the cracking effect.

Wind, solar and some forms of hydro-electric (float type, not dam type) have zero affect on the environment. Environmental extremists don't care about wind turbines affecting the bird population. I'm sure there's some wacko out there that's said something about it, but the majority of environmentalists don't feel that way.

You'd better come up with a good idea before you spout it. I haven't heard one argument that would prevent all the hazards of nuclear energy. You keep saying how if people are "safe" with it, then its not a problem. ITS IMPOSSIBLE. There is no safety with nuclear waste. You even said that there is still an amount of waste they can't recycle....... What then? Blast it to space is your only argument?
what a retarded comment.......

coal / fossil fuels are NOT there for use in our homes & engines, this is the ''life-blood'' of our planet & were quickly ******* it dry!!, the planet needs these elements just as our immune systems need white blood cells, remove them & you'll contract every illness under the sun.... same principle for our planet.

wind / solar / hydro power is where it should be at!! .....

& as for space as a dumping ground, i wouldn't say that's a good idea unless its blasted towards our sun, if this happened it would disintegrate far before it reached the sun & be completely incinerated.... now that could work well, but you'd have to come up with a consistent way to shuttle it there constantly.

it all comes down to money / corporate greed & an utter lack of any care for our planet.

IMO

 
I think human understanding of the immense system that is our global environment is not far enough along to truly understand what is environmentally safe in the long term. But this topic is getting a bit too deep to take seriously (yes, even my comments).

 
Coal is a byproduct of heat, compression and carbon... Its very similar to a low grade diamond. This is only one form of energy. I agree that we should be focusing our efforts on solar, wind and hydro-electric power (not the dam type).

The "international" space station had a near miss from space junk just recently. All that junk that's floating around isn't just colliding with satellites. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif There are many more documented cases of collisions.

What's going to happen to the astronauts that we send up in space if they're being bombarded by this nuclear radiation? There's a reason all the extremely physically fit astronauts turn gray and have health problems at an early age. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif There's a reason they look so old in their younger years. Most of it caused by UV rays from the sun and other radiation emitting stars.

Here's a little light reading for you.... I suggest you take note... Chuck Yeager, "The Right Stuff".

 
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