SAVING up 1500-2000, what subs recomended?

i happen to have a pair of 18" nightshades and tuned with proper enclosure they sound great..I listened to everything on them and they responded very nicely..I still have the box also.

 
i am currently saving up money, around 1500 or 2000 for some subs, my main goin is SPL but i want to SOUND GOOD as well?
im looking to buy either ONE or TWO subs?

like stated spl and sq are needed, 60/40

space is not an issue...

&& would like a decent efficency(dont wanna drop a TON on the amp to get them barely moving.)

i have a few ideas but what do the people who know what there talking about recomend?
From my audio experiences, i've dropped more on amps than subs themselves.

 
i am currently saving up money, around 1500 or 2000 for some subs, my main goin is SPL but i want to SOUND GOOD as well?
im looking to buy either ONE or TWO subs?

like stated spl and sq are needed, 60/40

space is not an issue...

&& would like a decent efficency(dont wanna drop a TON on the amp to get them barely moving.)

i have a few ideas but what do the people who know what there talking about recomend?
I'm a fan of RE XXXs, but thats just me... I think each person on here has a different ""Best Sub in the World"....

What are you putting this in???

What type of enclosure are you thinking???

Because I have a Blazer I thought I had unlimited space too, but it really takes some consideration...

Do I do a wall??? I don't want a wall with 4 12's..

Ok, now doing a non wall enclosure for my (4) 12s, I think it needs to be about 10+ cu feet...

Take that, placement of the subs, vent, then the (6) amps, extra batts, etc.. You quickly run out of room, unless your just tossing crap in there...

What else are you going to run Front and Rear Stage wise and amps???

Any extra batts or other devices to contend with???

What about the charging system and its wiring....

 
I can't believe no one mentioned the Mach 5 SPL 15's .... great subs IMO and cheap recones FTW

I still have the original prototype Mach 5 12" and we've got it to do 149.8 on 6kw at the headrest before, and it's been beat on by me for years now and still did that score.

...and btw XXX's are horrible subs if you want to throw some serious power at. You'll get them stinky fast....the new ones are even worse.

 
Like others have stated, your best bet is going to be investing in your electrical. Get that beefy first (if you want loud...as in the 150+ db's area) your gonna need 2 batts or so in the back and a HO alt (Believe you mentioned you have one already?) That and enough power wire to run from front battery to back ones and then extra wiring to and from each battery, then to the amps and such. Get all of that focused on and paid for (one extra battery for me plus all my wiring and whatnot was almost $400 in itself, but I also supported my local shop and paid a little more then internet prices)

Get that all situated and out of the way, and then focus on the amps. You can pay several hundred bucks per sub, but if you suddenly find yourself short on money for a nice amp, your not gonna get the output you are looking for or that your woofers are capable of (and its no secret that good clean power isn't exactly cheap). Honestly, you could do 2 10's or 2 12's that take a lot of power for about $500-600. In some cases, woofers themselves are the cheapest parts of a system.

But to give my opinion, you could be different and go with a bunch of 8's! Get 4 or 6 high powered ones for anywhere from $100-200 bucks a piece and you will be spending well within your budget and still can get plenty loud. Plus the wow factor of smaller subs is always a nice reaction to see from people who are expecting a couple bigger woofers when they hear what you have

 
12 8" TB ultras do 147.6 on music in an expedition, Output and musicallity is hard to beat on the IA DP's, another decent option would be RD HW's (groundpound versions) or Alpha Max's. An alpha max only needs 3 cubes per 15 and tuned at 32Hz you end up with one hella loud daily driver. Were doing 149.4 (headrest/termlab) with one in 4.5 @ 35 in a celica. The XXX's sound good, but just like the W7's lack output because of their low Fs and mid Vas. Some Audiopulse Revo or Axis 12's or 15's would be sweet, pricey, but phenomenal performers in both output and sound quality. The IA DP's though, are indestructible up the the 21's we ran a pair for a Mod 5 MECA vehicle and could do 153.7 on music but they don't cool as well as the smaller DP's and can't be pushed as hard. They also have High Q, High Vas and need massive enclosures (they are happiest in 11 cubes per tuned low (TSP's pulled by me in my lab) CD Omega's are just WMD2's and both are low Q drivers so the wont play flat very low so any SQ would be sacrificed output wise they get loud above 35Hz. T3 TSS's aren't to shabby, ot the loudest woofers but more capable than T3 lets on, Fi is alright as is Ascendant Audio (same people [Flux Tech]) The SSA Icons are nice for the price but I wouldn't call them on par with IA DP's or subs of that caliber. Sundowns are straight up over priced and over rated thanks to Jacobs hoards of followers. Paul Strouth switched from the DP's (2 x 21" that burped at 154.7dB on 10K) to 12 x Z12's on 3 3500's in a 4th order and now does 155.x on 12K and blows 1-3 woofers per burp. I've seen alt of nightshades fail (spiders seperate from baskets/ coils melt/ etc. The IA DP's are cheaper and... wait a minute whats that? Is that a DP motor on a nightshade??? lol. And why is the cone looking so familiar and that multi layer surround... I've seen that before too but where was it? Hmmm.... Oh yeah, it was on a IA product as well, lol.

 
Well phil sorry you are very selective and nice to know you know everything about everything...So anyone needs to know anything just ask phil he seems to know everyones product..Nice to know you know rd products are so reliable and easy to get replaced when something happens..

 
Phil,

You are simply upset that you aren't building boxes for Paul anymore and that he decided to trade those 21s in to me instead of sell them to you... go chill out before you make yourself look silly AGAIN like you did in my for sale thread.

If you think he "blows" 1-3 woofers per burp you are wrong -- get your facts straight. Paul went to NUMEROUS shows without so much as hurting a single woofer playing music quite a bit. More than he can say for the other drivers he had in the Jeep. And you KNOW as well as I do that Paul is harder on drivers than almost anyone.

For that matter -- the new setup is more reliable than any of his others at this output level and the only damage he has done to any SA-12 is from over excursion (separating triple joint glue from the cone) as his peak frequency of 35 hz required a TON of throw.

Breaking this joint is also now nearly impossible on the newer revision drivers - I've put 4kw on bursts through the new models with the update to this joint... and for that matter out of several hundred SA-12s sold Paul is one of the VERY few to have damaged one at any power level -- anyone that has done so has been using them for SPL applications with very high power and/or extremely low frequencies like Paul.

 
Phil,
You are simply upset that you aren't building boxes for Paul anymore and that he decided to trade those 21s in to me instead of sell them to you... go chill out before you make yourself look silly AGAIN like you did in my for sale thread.

If you think he "blows" 1-3 woofers per burp you are wrong -- get your facts straight. Paul went to NUMEROUS shows without so much as hurting a single woofer playing music quite a bit. More than he can say for the other drivers he had in the Jeep. And you KNOW as well as I do that Paul is harder on drivers than almost anyone.

For that matter -- the new setup is more reliable than any of his others at this output level and the only damage he has done to any SA-12 is from over excursion (separating triple joint glue from the cone) as his peak frequency of 35 hz required a TON of throw.

Breaking this joint is also now nearly impossible on the newer revision drivers - I've put 4kw on bursts through the new models with the update to this joint... and for that matter out of several hundred SA-12s sold Paul is one of the VERY few to have damaged one at any power level -- anyone that has done so has been using them for SPL applications with very high power and/or extremely low frequencies like Paul.

As for the woofers I state as blowing per burp, I'm just going by what paul told me, lol. 48Hz isn't exactly a low freq either, but seeing as his resonance freq is 35 like we were building for, why were you tuning his boxes in the 40's? Especially knowing he does DB? And I'm not upset about not building his stuff anymore, at least your getting paid in one form or another. But the fact is, Paul never paid off the 21's he gave them to you for credit but they were not his, Call Nick at incriminator and ask him what Phil in VA has bought from him and guess what, he'll say a pair of 21" DP's and a set of recones.... Also, It was you who I am aware of melted the coil's in your DB MECA run, and chris gregory and another guy he built for both had nightshade 18 spiders detach from the basket on burps, and neither were using what I consider to be to much power for that sub on a burp. And as for my posting in your other thread, Paul told me shortly after the post went up that you were simply selling them for him and the proceeds did in fact go to me so, seems like theres a few things you need to get straight with Paul as well, unless you simply dont care to help someone screw someone else? lol. 35Hz requires even more throw to reach output with when your enclosure is tuned to 46Hz, his new flat spot by the way is 48-52Hz with the 4th order wall thing you guys built him. He did manage a 155 though, @ 48Hz. Not wthout loosing at least 1 coil, he said 1 was dead and 3 were acting funny? He is wanting to switch to RD by the way... or maybe thats just what he was telling me trying to get me to help him again, who knows...

How are the triple joints seperating from the cones without the coils bottoming out, and seeing that he now has 7200rms of woofers I'd imagine it is more reliable since he's not even running them at 2x rms, he's making constant trips to see ya, was just there tuesday I believe, for the woofer failure at the MECA show in clinics (if he's telling me the truth which I tend to believe him on that one)

I'm not the one looking silly anymore, saleing them to me.... ask Sound_Around whos' 21's those were... You'll find no exaggerations in anything I have said if you take the time to ask around instead of jumping to conclusions and taking one person's word over the other instead of doing a little research. Ant the most reliable set he had was the Orion HCCA 12.2's, not a single failure running 5600 per, 151.7 @ 38Hz with the pair in 11cubes @ 37Hz

 
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