Making car doors more like speaker enclosures

[JohnKuthe]

lol stinger roadkill extreme. It's good for the price

Pretty pricey, I looked it up! But I MAY get some!

I think I'm slightly catching the car audio extreme excellence disease!! No, I am definitely catching it! The more I learn, the more I fantasize about really really good car audio builds!!

John Kuthe...

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Stinger is mediocre like dynamat. It was mid pack

 

[JohnKuthe]

Stinger is mediocre like dynamat. It was mid pack

Then tell me what's the BEST panel vibrations damping material available!! Please back up your opinion with facts wherever possible, thanks!!! IOW what do YOU use? (See, it all comes back to ego!)

John Kuthe...

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

I'm not going to waste time digging through DIYMA for the test.

It was best value Knuconceptz 100mil

Best overall Second Skin

Ego. Stfu with that. How about you take advice from some of us that have spent well over 5 figures over 25 years. Been there done that. Learnt, tested, rebuilt, won.

 

[JohnKuthe]

I'm not going to waste time digging through DIYMA for the test. It was best value Knuconceptz 100mil

Best overall Second Skin

Ego. Stfu with that. How about you take advice from some of us that have spent well over 5 figures over 25 years. Been there done that. Learnt, tested, rebuilt, won.

That is exactly what I am trying to do. Learn.

Problem is, many of the folks here are testosterone driven egomaniacs reticent about openly sharing the knowledge they have gained over their years and dollars spent learning about car audio excellence, present company a perfect example! But I have gleaned a few different brands of panel, vibration deadener material and speaker assist devices/materials (like F.A.SA.T rings) available from you! And thank you very much!

John Kuthe...

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

That is exactly what I am trying to do. Learn.
Problem is, many of the folks here are testosterone driven egomaniacs reticent about openly sharing the knowledge they have gained over their years and dollars spent learning about car audio excellence, present company a perfect example! But I have gleaned a few different brands of panel, vibration deadener material and speaker assist devices/materials (like F.A.SA.T rings) available from you! And thank you very much!

John Kuthe...

Nobody is ego driven. We have all been there done that.

If you truly want help you are going about it the wrong way.

There is a lot of talent here on both sides of the fence. Musical reproduction and just plain loud as balls.

 

[JohnKuthe]

Nobody is ego driven. We have all been there done that. If you truly want help you are going about it the wrong way.

There is a lot of talent here on both sides of the fence. Musical reproduction and just plain loud as balls.

ROFL!!!! Shows how much you know about human psychology!! Granted Freud is as old school as it gets, but his concept of the human ego is not far from the truth!!

Yeah, I know I always do everything the "wrong way", according to others' opinions.

John Kuthe...

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

ROFL!!!! Shows how much you know about human psychology!! Granted Freud is as old school as it gets, but his concept of the human ego is not far from the truth!!
Yeah, I know I always do everything the "wrong way", according to others' opinions.

John Kuthe...

**** off you piece of **** loser.

 

[JohnKuthe]

**** off you piece of **** loser.

I know you are, but what am I? ;-)

ROFL!!! It's SO much fun reducing ourselves to Jr High profane insults!! ROFL!!!! Maybe I'll earn myself a profane insult in your sig file like "papermaker" did!!! Hee hee! ;-)

John Kuthe...

 

[The Camry]

I'm not going to waste time digging through DIYMA for the test. It was best value Knuconceptz 100mil

Best overall Second Skin

Ego. Stfu with that. How about you take advice from some of us that have spent well over 5 figures over 25 years. Been there done that. Learnt, tested, rebuilt, won.

google CLD TESTING and its the first result

to OP, check the very last posts on this thread

Sound Deadening (CLD) Testing - Page 69 - Car Audio | DiyMobileAudio.com | Car Stereo Forum

 

[Jeffdachef 5,000+ posts]

ROFL!!!! Shows how much you know about human psychology!! Granted Freud is as old school as it gets, but his concept of the human ego is not far from the truth!!
Yeah, I know I always do everything the "wrong way", according to others' opinions.

John Kuthe...

again you bring useless junk to this forum. Either you stay on topic with car audio or GTFO! You have no interest in learning, Its more about just starting sh*t with everything that comes out of your mouth.

 

[JohnKuthe]

again you bring useless junk to this forum. Either you stay on topic with car audio or GTFO! You have no interest in learning, Its more about just starting sh*t with everything that comes out of your mouth.

I AM learning and I appreciate it. I've learned a quite a bit already, the most intriguing about sound processors like the Alpine PXA-H800. Thank you. Lot of noise among it all though, would you not agree?

John Kuthe...

 

[staan]

yeah a lot of crappy posts about internet decorum and stupid heroic real name using that no one cares about. If you really want help skip all the useless subterfuge and just ask questions and wait patiently for answers you think suit you.

 

[keep_hope_alive Premium Member]

I'm disappointed that members are lashing out in anger and insults towards someone looking for answers that go beyond opinions. There are some very respectable members contributing to this thread.

I can relate to the OP's request to see some evidence to support claims. In this industry, over the past 20 years, i've seen more marketing lies than real data. Even the best deadener out on the market lacks any ASTM testing. SDS lacks any credible testing methods. Our industry lacks real data, which is how we should have approached this thread.

To the OP: if you're looking for test results - start testing. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

The OP will not find credible test data for mobile audio products. It doesn't exist and there are no standards to follow when building and marketing mobile audio products. If you're savvy, you'll realize this when seeing the terminology used by manufacturers and you'll see past the marketing jargon.

What some of the members have provided are personal results and personal opinions - which is what forums are good for. Especially in car audio, personal experience trumps manufacturer "data". I recommend people viewing a forum look at the personal experiences as real data, then factor in the circumstances and experience of the individual. That said, there are so many factors to consider, it is very difficult dissecting an opinion to reveal relevant data. Regardless, I appreciate the personal opinions and experience shared in forums.

I spend roughly 10-20 hours per door I acoustically treat. My doors are not perfect (yet) and I still see room for improvement. I experiment and test. I measure frequency response with each configuration and I proceed with what performs best. I learn from the past and experiment in the present. I should have added more deadener to mass-load the exterior door skin. This winter that will happen.

 

[DTOMKIDD]

JohnKuthe I think it's time to step away from the computer. I might be new here but it seems like every **** post you make you wine about people being egotistical when all you do is talk yourself up and show how big YOUR ego is. These people on here have way more knowledge about audio systems then I think you realize and to discredit their experiences and knowledge by saying that if they don't create a graph specifically for you then their opinion has no validity is flat out rude and arrogant.

Stop coming on here and asking for help only to shoot down the help offered and then claim that person is being egotistical because they have formed an opinion based on experience.

Kyle Kidd...

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