Making car doors more like speaker enclosures

How about this. Go out and find some events that feature sound quality. MECA, ISACA. Listen and talk and learn. We all don't do "Boom cars". Some of us focus on accurate reproduction of the source to the point you can identify each instrument in its proper position with realism, width, and depth of a real flesh and blood live event.

 
Sorry. I'm not going to run out and screw up my beautiful midbass to show you a RTA. The whole point of sealing the door is eleminating the back wave from combining with the front wave and adding mass which equals ridgitity You don't need graphs for that
sure he needs the graphs for that. lol he is john kuthe. lol john kuthe. who??? john kuthe! who?? john kuthe!! who? john kuthe!!!

 
problem is it makes you stick out and look out of place
I've been on the Internet since before the WWW was invented when Usenet Newsgroups were all the rage and I saw what happened when Steve Case sent a free AOL CD to anything with a pulse! Fly by night AoLamers!! Anon Aholes as I call them! I decided to lend to my credibility to my posts by always posting with my real name. And still do today!

John Kuthe....

 
I've been on the Internet since before the WWW was invented when Usenet Newsgroups were all the rage and I saw what happened when Steve Case sent a free AOL CD to anything with a pulse! Fly by night AoLamers!! Anon Aholes as I call them! I decided to lend to my credibility to my posts by always posting with my real name. And still do today!
John Kuthe....
Nobody give a flying ****. You are a loser.

 
Sorry. I'm not going to run out and screw up my beautiful midbass to show you a RTA. The whole point of sealing the door is eleminating the back wave from combining with the front wave and adding mass which equals ridgitity You don't need graphs for that
Adding mass lowers resonance.. Increasing strength increases ridigity.

 
Adding mass increases rigidity.
No it doesn't.
mass loaded vinyl is an example of adding mass without adding rigidity.

stiffening increases structural resonance frequency, typically. adding mass lowers resonance frequency, typically.

anyway, back to the real reason for the post. closing holes. yes, i've done what you're talking about.

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to the subject of why you need to cut out the back of the XTC foam baffles - the last thing we want is a flimsy, tiny membrane behind a speaker. consider the airspace and the resulting Q of the enclosure, then consider how flimsy the enclosure is, moving in reaction to the pressure and causing cancellation. I don't waste my time with those baffles. what we need is water control around the speaker opening, i achieve that with CCF weatherstripping and deadener to create a watershed pathway around the opening:

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to the subject of the thread - making doors behave like speaker enclosures. we look for a few items that don't exist in the car already - rigidity, sound absorption, rear wave control, and rear wave isolation. I have successfully implemented these concepts.

 
How about this. Go out and find some events that feature sound quality. MECA, ISACA. Listen and talk and learn. We all don't do "Boom cars". Some of us focus on accurate reproduction of the source to the point you can identify each instrument in its proper position with realism, width, and depth of a real flesh and blood live event.
The latter is what I'm hoping for. That's the way my last Alpine system was to me. Best quality car audio system I ever had! That's why I went with Alpine equipment again! I used Pioneer and Clarion in my teens/20's, then I had a very reputable (now out of business) install place here in STL do my 1994 Dodge Caravan "Baby" with an all Alpine system, head unit, power amp and 4 6x9 speakers. Now I've got a 12" Alpine subwoofer and four 6x9s and two 5.25 rounds, 100W per and 500W RMS into the subwoofer. I think it's gonna rock!

John Kuthe...

 
I'm an engineer, show me the DATA!! Frequency response curves, stuff like that!!
Oh, and for cone breakup, entropy is a constant!! It's GONNA happen!! Have a nice day!

John Kuthe...
This just shows you are an ignorant noob with zero experience in audio trying to talk sh*t. Anyone with any kind of basic setup either home theatre or car audio has tried a big driver in a small box and found that there's zero bass reproduction while inside a bigger box, there is much more bass reproduction.

You can also see from a simple enclosure modeling software that based on a driver's T/S Parameters, that low end reproduction is much higher in a bigger airspace vs a smaller airspace.

For Ex: This 12 inch sub in a 1 cubic feet box vs a 3 cubic feet box, same port tuning but drastically different frequency response. Its the same thing as shoving a 6x9 in whats basically a 0.1 cubic feet sealed enclosure vs the whole door cavity which is about a cubic feet or more of airspace. Makes the difference from your speaker sounding like the tin man vs a full bodied driver capable of playing every drum kick that you can feel in your chest.

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This just shows you are an ignorant noob with zero experience in audio trying to talk sh*t. Anyone with any kind of basic setup either home theatre or car audio has tried a big driver in a small box and found that there's zero bass reproduction while inside a bigger box, there is much more bass reproduction.
Alpine recommends about a half a cu/ft cabinet for the 12" slim line subwoofer but the cabinet I'm having built is 18"x18"x9" outside with 3/4 in walls so it's larger than 0.5 ct\ft! I figure larger volume sealed subwoofer cabinet would be a good thing.

You can also see from a simple enclosure modeling software that based on a driver's T/S Parameters, that low end reproduction is much higher in a bigger airspace vs a smaller airspace.

For Ex: This 12 inch sub in a 1 cubic feet box vs a 3 cubic feet box, same port tuning but drastically different frequency response. Its the same thing as shoving a 6x9 in whats basically a 0.1 cubic feet sealed enclosure vs the whole door cavity which is about a cubic feet or more of airspace. Makes the difference from your speaker sounding like the tin man vs a full bodied driver capable of playing every drum kick that you can feel in your chest.

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0.1 cubic foot sealed enclosure? What? Where? You mean the Boom Mats? Hardly sealed, there's a hole in the back where the wire comes in! And to allow speaker cone excursion, I believe.

I'm gonna foam tape sheets of formable aluminum sheets over the holes on the door making the whole inner door more like a speaker cabinet. I think this should work better than not doing it. And of course B-Quiet all over the place!

John Kuthe...

 
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