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By the way, do you guys recommend that I get a pair of coaxials for the back doors or is that not necessary?
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It'll depend. If you have people riding with you at times, it's probably a decent idea, or if you want the full surround, then it's good. It's not vital. Personally, I wouldn't go without it, but I'm an exception on most. A cheap pair of decent coax's is never bad though.

So, what they proposed to you - honestly, the subs are ****. Those are absolute ****. Don't go with those. Not to mention expensive as hell. The local audio shop around me will sell you a pair of kicker CVR's, the 400 wrms upgraded model, with a good box, for $350. That's way overpriced.

The head unit is pretty decent. You'd be happy with that. The components, however... I'd stay away from the rockford comps, and get a better pair. The coaxials aren't going to matter as much, but you could get a bit better for cheaper.

If I had to throw out 5.25" recommendations, I'd probably go with something like these:

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4169

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=7077

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=2710

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3943

Depending on your budget, ofc.

Those are products I've heard good things about, and that would be definitely good speakers. Others can throw out some other recommendations. If you want to stick with the store, look into the focal, but I'd imagine those would be a hell of an expensive purchase retail. Otherwise, there's not a whole lot of options that I know are good. Doesn't mean there aren't, but I can't provide too many recommendations there. JL is good, but expensive. These are a bit more than what they recommended, but honestly, it'd be worth it.

Subwoofers, now... To stick with the store, I'd say look into something like the Alpine Type R's. Maybe some of the pioneer subs could be decent. Otherwise, I'd go cheaper with the rest of the recommendations here from online. Just don't get something like those kickers. -.-

The amplifier, decent, but it doesn't put out a lot of power for the subwoofer channel. You'd be much better off with two separate amps, a 4 channel amplifier, or a two channel for the front speakers, running the back coaxials off the HU, quite a few people do that - it'll save you a chunk of money, and it won't affect sound much at all. And then a mono block amplifier for the subwoofers.

 
What about this:

System...


Installation...

  • Amp - $300.00 (assumption)
  • Speakers - $100.00 (assumption)
  • Head-Unit - $50.00
     
  • INSTALLATION W/ TAX: 488.25 (assumption)

TOTAL PRICE WITH SHIPPING/TAX/INSTALLATION: $1311.38 (about)

(That's about $200.62 less than before.)

Please review what I have above and give me some opinions. Also, how are two subwoofers powered by a mono-amp? Shouldn't that be 2 channel, one for each sub?

 
Hmmm. I don't honestly know about the Alpine comp set, someone else'll need to chime in on how good those are. I personally like the Diamonds, and I've heard plenty with the Rainbows on their quality, but I'm not too sure. The Alpine's would probably be pretty good though.

The subs, however - I hear good things about the upper model type R, but I don't hear much at all about the Type S - doesn't mean they're bad, but I don't know if they're good.

Ehh, ****, we're getting out of what I know. Someone else needs to come in here and chime in a bit more, who's heard these.

HU looks good, the amp is good, the only thing you'll need to look at is making sure to run it at 4 ohms. The amp won't take it kindly if you bridge the back two channels for the subs at a lower rating. One of the reasons its good to get two separate amps. As long as you do that, though, it should be good.

Wish I could help you more :/ I'm pretty much going by hearsay atm, not so much technical knowledge.

 
What about this:

System...


Installation...

  • Amp - $300.00 (assumption)
  • Speakers - $100.00 (assumption)
  • Head-Unit - $50.00
     
  • INSTALLATION W/ TAX: 488.25 (assumption)

TOTAL PRICE WITH SHIPPING/TAX/INSTALLATION: $1356.18 (about)

(That's about $158.82 less than before.)

Please review what I have above and give me some opinions. Also, how are two subwoofers powered by a mono-amp? Shouldn't that be 2 channel, one for each sub?

Horseman, you saying not enough power even with the two amps?

 
Suggestions then horseman? I don't want to spend more than the original charge, so maybe go cheaper on the 2-channel and more on the mono?

And I still don't really understand, a mono channel amp can still power two subs?

 
Ahh, I do like that a bit better. It's a bit easier on the amps, and your power system. The class D mono won't **** so much power, and it's more efficient. Don't want your alternator to start struggling.

My only comment now is that the 2 chan might be a bit weak.

To save some money, I'd say something like this - http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=374

Then, with the subs, have them wire it down to 1 ohm. You'll put more power for less through them.

Then, go with the better two chan - http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3952

It does, however, put you about $50 more than what's there. But you'll have quite a bit more power.

Wow, like 5 posts while I did this -.-

Ahh. Focal comps. Those will take less power, so you can ignore my suggestion on the better two chan, and go with the smaller one. Put you right about even again, I think.

And I'll add another thing. The mono amp means it puts the same sound signal through whatever it's powering - it's not a stereo/surround sound. You can power multiple speakers in one channel too, it just means they put out exactly the same sound. Hope that clears it up. For the bass, you don't need a stereo sound ^^

Honestly, now, the only thing I'd be unclear about is the subs. I don't know how good those are. One possibility would be to go with one type R, however, a dual 2 ohm version, wire it to one ohm, and power it with the memphis amp. You'd be putting rated power through it, and it *should* be cheaper.

 
If I got just this one 12" sub:

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=2530

Would it sound better than those two 10" ones?

And is wiring a 2-ohm subwoofer to 1-ohm going to be something that will raise the installation fees? Also, Memphis isn't one of Avenue Sound's brands, therefore I feel like they may give me a fuss about installing it, whereas if I picked one of their brands they'd be a bit happier. Maybe you can find a similar amp from one of these brands:

# Kicker

# Alpine

# JBL

# Infinity

# Rockford Fosgate

# JL Audio

# JVC

# Kenwood

# Pioneer

# Clarion

# Panasonic

# Audiovox

# Peripheral

# Soundgate

# Boston Acoustics

# Focal

 
I'd think it'd sound better. Won't be quite as loud, but the type R on rated power is pretty nice, and the new ones, from what I've heard, have a good SQ. It'll save money for sure, too. The focal comps, zx150.1, memphis mono amp, kenwood HU, alpine type R, and wiring, would be a nice system.

I'll take a look for another amp there, from those brands. Honestly, they might quote you a bit more for retail prices than what you'll see here, so you might be right back up there to $1500 again, but it should be a better designed system.

Wiring to 1 ohm is miniscule. If they charged extra for that one, I'd probably walk out on them -.- They've gotta wire it up anyways.

 
Well i'm listing these because I plan on ordering from the internet rather than their store, so i'm hoping I wont be charged with retail prices.

I also forgot, if I am paying them to install it, but i'm bringing all parts i've ordered from the internet, does installation include wiring or is that something i'll have to order?

Maybe I should just go back to what I had, you said that it might not be so bad... I mean, the two 10" type-s subwoofers and the mono kicker amp.

 
Hmm... Wiring is probably separate. I'm not finding any comparable amps really, at least that I trust completely.

The JL amp is good - but quite a bit more. - http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=7024

The Alpine amp, well, I don't know if it puts out its rated power. It's a decent price, though. - http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=6249

For the Alpine, you'd want a Dual 4 wired down to 2 ohms, for the JL, you'd want a dual 2 wired up to 4 ohms. Or, you could be conservative on the gains, and get a dual 4 wired down to 2 ohms, and then if you ever wanted a second, you would be able to just get a second d4 alpine, and wire it to one ohms, and put rated power through each. Throwing out a possibility, though I don't know if you'd want to bother, unless you do listen to mostly rap. The JL is more expensive, though. So, to cut prices, it'd be better to go with the others.

Thinking on it, though, I'm not sure they'd care so much about the brands. Especially since the rest is their brands, and you'd probably be getting the sub off of them (I think you are, not sure what you were deciding there). It'll be up to you there ^^ Brands won't make a difference in the installation or wiring.

 
Maybe I should just go back to what I had, you said that it might not be so bad... I mean, the two 10" type-s subwoofers and the mono kicker amp.
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Yep. It won't be too bad. Also, ask them about the quality comparison between one type R and the two type s subs. They might tell you the type r will sound better, and you'll be getting closer to rated power with just that one sub on either amp you use. On the other hand, they might be able to just demo the comparison - or tell you, as I don't honestly know much about the type s model ^^ It'd be something good to ask about.

As for the rest, it should be good. Focal comp, 2 chan zx150.2, kenwood HU, and either type of alpine sub, and a mono amp.

 
I'm thinking i'll just go back to this then:

System...


Installation...

  • Amp - $300.00 (assumption)
  • Speakers - $100.00 (assumption)
  • Head-Unit - $50.00
     
  • INSTALLATION W/ TAX: 488.25 (assumption)

TOTAL PRICE WITH SHIPPING/TAX/INSTALLATION: $1356.18 (about)

I think maybe i'll do this:

I'll go there with these options in mind and ask him how he prices the things I have listed, and what I could expect the total to be. Considering all these are store-available brands, I might be able to get a good deal. When I went in there today, a lot of the stuff was 40%-50% off. Subwoofers were buy one at full price, get another free (same as 50% off).

I'll be back with updates tomorrow night I suppose?

 
Go for it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Let us know ^^

I'm heading to bed about now myself, anyways, so can't do much more. Glad to help //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
You could get a hell of a system for 1500 if you hit up our classified section.

Some stuff may even still be warrantied left over from them.

I buy and sell a lot on here, and have been blessed to never get screwed here.

Or you could buy some stuff new and some stuff used. That is what I usually do. Peep the classfieds.

 
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