How Many of You Are SAVED?

[LIGHTBEING 10+ year member]

Yeah, the Trinity concept is very confusing. Just doesn't make too much sense to me.

Besides, According to the Bible, Jesus rejected the Trinity. There has been numerous times in the Bible when Jesus proclaims he is not God.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

In that case why would jesus when on the cross pray to his father? Why woul dhe pray to his father any other time, at that.
Hence not the same.

Not trying to argue but i just dont think so.

Well, frankly, I don't really care if you guys believe that Jesus was or wasn't God. I was just explaining why some people do believe that.

 

[nsain 10+ year member]

I would agree that the whole Trinitarian theory depends on what denomination you are and that it really is confusing and takes some thought to understand, if it can even be understood. I like the way that squeak put it.

 

[psycho72 10+ year member]

There is no mention of "Trinity" in the bible as far as I know.

 

[Str8Up 10+ year member]

To the brothers that think the muslims are saved along with the followers of Jesus, you're sadly mistaken.

Like I said, the Muslims believe that Jesus was real and that he walked the earth, yes. But, like I said they feel that he was JUST a prophet.

Matthew chapter 16:

13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, "Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?" 14 And they said, "Some say that Thou art John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." 15 He said unto them, "But who say ye that I am?" 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, "Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father who is in Heaven

Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they."

Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Romans 5:1 Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:57 But thanks be to God, who giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!

Phillipians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

Titus 3:4 But after the kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 He saved us not by works of righteousness which we had done, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration, and by the renewing of the Holy Ghost, 6 which He shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

^ I think you get the idea, lol.

You can ONLY come to God through JESUS. That is the ONLY WAY. You can only be saved THROUGH JESUS. That is the ONLY WAY. Whoever has the Son has the Father. No man may get to the Father except through Jesus. Jesus is who we must worship and serve. NOT Allah, Budah, etc.

Btw, the Muslims say the God's name is Allah. NO, it is not. If you know Hebrew, God's name is YAHWEH, and the one one we call Jesus Christ is called YAHSHUAH.

Yahweh and Allah are NOT the same. Allah is not the english translation of Yahweh, they are two totally different 'Gods'. One is the true living God, and the other is a fake. Allah is the fake.

Just because they believe that Jesus was real and walked the earth does not mean that they will be saved. The people that saw Jesus in the flesh knew that his name was Jesus, and saw that he was alive and walked before them. But did them seeing that save them? NO. It was their belief in Him, that He was/is the Son of God, and that salvation is through Him ONLY that saved them.

Remember....THE BEST LIE IS THE ONE THAT IS CLOSEST TO THE TRUTH //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Str8up, it appears as though you don't question your faith and what you believe in enough.

 

[nsain 10+ year member]

A text out of context is a pretext for trouble.

 

[mrray13 10+ year member]

God said, "Adam, I want you to do something for me."

Adam said, "Gladly, Lord, what do You want me to do?"

God said, "Go down into that valley."

Adam said, "What's a valley?"

God explained it to him.

Then God said, "Cross the river."

Adam said, "What's a river?"

God explained that to him, and then said, "Go over to the hill......."

Adam said, "What is a hill?"

So, God explained to Adam what a hill was.

He told Adam, "On the other side of the hill you will find a cave"

Adam said, "What's a cave?"

After God explained, he said, "In the cave you will find a Woman."

Adam said, "What's a woman?"

So God explained that to him, too.

Then, God said, "I want you to reproduce."

Adam said, "How do I do that?"

God first said (under his breath), "Geez....."

And then, just like everything else, God explained that to Adam, as well.

So, Adam goes down into the valley, across the river, and over the hill, into the cave, and finds the woman. Then, in about five minutes, he was back.

God, his patience wearing thin, said angrily, "What is it now?"

And Adam said .

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"What's a headache ?

sorry, had to be done..

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/peace.gif.2db28b618ed8d1964ebbe2f5021d2c39.gif

 

[Str8Up 10+ year member]

Str8up, it appears as though you don't question your faith and what you believe in enough.

Jesus is my faith. And when I have a question for Him that's relevant to His word, I ask Him for the answer. And if I believe that He is able to give me the answer, He will get it to me. And that has happened on numerous occasions. And He has answered me everytime. Sometimes He uses things and people that you would never expect to get the answer through.

Jesus works in mysterious ways //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Jesus is my faith. And when I have a question for Him that's relevant to His word, I ask Him for the answer. And if I believe that He is able to give me the answer, He will get it to me. And that has happened on numerous occasions. And He has answered me everytime. Sometimes He uses things and people that you would never expect to get the answer through.
Jesus works in mysterious ways //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

No, you completely misinterpreted what I said. Let me put it another way; You sound as if you are a blind follower. You sound as if you take everything at face value, like you believe because you think you are supposed to believe. Like you haven't formed any of your own thoughts, you just regurgitate what you've been told.

Sorry, that's just my observation of how you've come off throughout this thread //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Str8Up 10+ year member]

No, you completely misinterpreted what I said. Let me put it another way; You sound as if you are a blind follower. You sound as if you take everything at face value, like you believe because you think you are supposed to believe. Like you haven't formed any of your own thoughts, you just regurgitate what you've been told.
Sorry, that's just my observation of how you've come off throughout this thread //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Nah, I don't regurgitate what I've been told. Because I haven't been told ANYTHING. I haven't gone to a church in over 6 years. And when I did, I went because my mother made me go. Or if I was staying over my friends house his parents would make me go. And I would just go and fall asleep.

Everything I've said in this thread is what I've learned ON MY OWN. I've had many many questions in my journey down the road to truth and understanding. And like I said, I prayed to Yahshua (Jesus), and I believed that He had the answer and could get it to me. And He did.

I've debated with pastors that are 'supposed' to be sent and led by God, and I've left them speachless. Here are the people that we're supposed to be able to come to for clarification concerning God's word, yet many of them don't know a damm thing. They think that because they went to bible college or something that they know it all.

And your statement is correct with many, just not with me. Many many pastors regurgitate what they learned at school, like they learned at school what God wants them to know and teach. Who's to say if the teacher was sent by God in the first place? Lemme let Paul tell you what he thinks about this...

Galatians 1:11-12 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Just as the Lord Yah revealed to Paul what to say and teach, so has Yah revealed to me what I know. That's why it's a must that people NOT depend on pastors to teach them, they need to let Yah teach them. Through reading, prayer, and fastings.

Yahshua is Lord

 

[LIGHTBEING 10+ year member]

I've debated with pastors that are 'supposed' to be sent and led by God, and I've left them speachless.

Oh my Lord, get over yourself. Your debating skills are mediocre at best. You're predictable and you confirm my suggestions with every single one of you ignoranus comments like the one I posted above.

 

[Frraksurred 10+ year member]

Well, a lot has gone on while I was away. WAY too much for me to respond to, though I will touch on a few things.

Initially I want to address just one issue. Of all that's been posted the last few days the thing that greives me the most seeing fellow Christians behave in a manner that does not glorify their Creator or Savior, and certainly does not represent His character. It seems as though "speaking the truth in love" is a less studied Biblical principal. This is unfortunate becuase it does more to get in the way of the truth then it does to reveal it. Insults and pridefulness were never trade marks Of Jesus Christ. I know it is easy to become frustrated, but respect is a vital ingredient to effective communication regardless of what your "faith" is. Without it this thread is just another fruitless collection of head-butting. I feel as though I must apologize on behalf of Christ for those who are still maturing as Christians. I would also remind those who have witnessed it and been on the receiving end of it, that you can not judge Christ or true Christianity by the actions of some of it's members. As in life we start off crawling and grow daily from there; each Christian is at a different stage of their maturity (including me). As long as God chooses not to enterfere with man's free will, there will be less then perfect representatives representing Him less then perfectly. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif I need only remember where it is that I have come from and all the Christ has had to forgive me of to be reminded that I am no better then ANY other person and have no right to talk down to anybody.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

I read a bible once.

Tempe needs to update it.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[Acidburn 5,000+ posts]

Tempe? what you saying about Tempe boy?

wtf does Tempe has to do with the bible? Tempe is just full of frat boys and slutty chicks