How Many of You Are SAVED?

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

First of all I would like to say that catholics are christians, plain and simple! Not the same belief structure exactly, but based off of the same big points.
second:

Although there MAY be a god, this is in fact the reason why church was made. When I say church I mean religion, and if you've ever taken a european history course, you would know this to be true. Religion was created to do two things: control the people (as a form of government), and to create revenue. Kinda ironic that they teach us not to screw people, and to treat everybody right when their foundations was quite the opposite.

I believe you are making a generalization above. Not all churches are out to make money. Some are strictly trying to bring in money to pay for the utility bills along with the teacher. What is true for some isn't true for all.

I will say that any so called catholic that believes that Jesus is their savior and any so called christian that believes this will go to heaven. In fact any individual that believes this deep in their heart will go to heaven.

 

[james33440 10+ year member]

Okay. Where do I begin? Well, first off yes Catholicism is a form of Christianity. However, there are many things Catholics do that aren't good unto GOD. For instance, Catholics worship the bread and wine during communion. Catholics are worshiping these as if they are JESUS himself. People, this is idol worship. When people worship idols, they worship demons and Satan himself! This is witchcraft! Let me show you this....

"What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrafice to idols is any thing? But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrafice, they sacrafice to devils, and not to GOD: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils..." I Corinthians 10:19-20

"For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of GOD for us: nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with the blood of others..." Hebrews 9:24-28

On another note, people you do realize that people aren't suppose to worship the Virgin Mary? This is another mistake in Catholicism. These so called apparitions are actually demons taking her appearance!

Oh, and why is it that "hollywood" makes it seem like Catholic priests are the only ones who can cast out demons? That is totally incorrect because Catholic priests are completely helpless to deal with any witchcraft because they themselves are serving Satan! Granted, some of them may not believe that, but none the less, they are still!

On another side note, I am not bragging or anything. I just know what I am capable of doing with GOD by my side. I am ready to do what GOD told me he wants.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

Okay. Where do I begin? Well, first off yes Catholicism is a form of Christianity. However, there are many things Catholics do that aren't good unto GOD. For instance, Catholics worship the bread and wine during communion. Catholics are worshiping these as if they are JESUS himself. People, this is idol worship. When people worship idols, they worship demons and Satan himself! This is witchcraft! Let me show you this....
"What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrafice to idols is any thing? But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrafice, they sacrafice to devils, and not to GOD: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils..." I Corinthians 10:19-20

"For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of GOD for us: nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with the blood of others..." Hebrews 9:24-28

On another note, people you do realize that people aren't suppose to worship the Virgin Mary? This is another mistake in Catholicism. These so called apparitions are actually demons taking her appearance!

Oh, and why is it that "hollywood" makes it seem like Catholic priests are the only ones who can cast out demons? That is totally incorrect because Catholic priests are completely helpless to deal with any witchcraft because they themselves are serving Satan! Granted, some of them may not believe that, but none the less, they are still!

On another side note, I am not bragging or anything. I just know what I am capable of doing with GOD by my side. I am ready to do what GOD told me he wants.

I'm going to have to disagree with you above. Although I really haven't gone to many catholic ceremonies, the one that I went to it didn't seem like they were worshiping the wine and bread. I do believe they run a thin line between hold Mary in high regards and worshiping her. This will be realized by them once they are before god. However I do not believe this will cause them to go to hell. Just lke I believe I will be wrong in certain areas when I get to heaven. The key is Jesus.

 

[james33440 10+ year member]

It may not seem like they worship those items. BTW, some may not. I am not saying all Catholics are bad. What I am saying is that the original Doctrine of the Roman Catholics says plain and simple that you have to worship these as if they were JESUS. I have seen a copy of this Doctrine for myself. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Phatillusion 5,000+ posts]

I used to go to church and be all into it. I got saved and then I started having different thoughts. I began thinking outside the box. I guess for me to start going back to church and get back into it, I would need questions answered. Such as why would god create man in his own image, and give them a choice, and then **** them for a choice he gave them? It just doesn't make sense. I almost started going back to church when my sister started having these premonitions and claimed god was talking to her. This was during the hurricanes she started having the premonitions. She claimed all sorts of things, but then I thought to myself, why would Jesus choose to speak through someone that can be discredited so easily. You see, in the past year, my sister was bad on drugs, supposedly she met this guy that's very religious and he helped her out, but he also has money and this could be for an act. So I dismissed the possibility. See I view it like this, there's a possibility that everything in the bible is true. But there's also a very good possibility that it's made up or that we don't interpret it properly. Haven't you ever helped spread a rumor and people believed it and then added there own twists to it? Basically, I'm stuck between the two, I want to believe, but as long as there is that doubt, I can't commit myself to believing. I'm the type of person that needs hardcore proof. Assuming that proof doesn't come, I've managed to educate myself for the tribulation period and I know what to do and what not to do.

 

[swimfreak26 10+ year member]

james, please do not argue religion without an open mind....pointless. You cannot say that the catholic church worshiping demons and satan. You are able to critisize it all you want, but do not make blind statements because your BRANCH of christianity has you believing something...this is called brainwashing. Christianity is a broad term that encompasses everybody who worships jesus (christ) and belives he was the son of god, or even more generally, the savior to the people.

There are different branches to christianity, and it shows complete stupidity to call yourself a "christian" and say catholics are wrong. You belong to a branch, which one I have not yet determined, but the point is that no matter what you say: prodestants, catholics, baptists, they all believe in the same foundational concepts and are only separated by minor changes in beliefs.

Also, to my earlier comment, I didn't say that all churches in the modern day use their practice as a way to create wealth and control governmentally. I stated that church (religion) was created for such a purpose, and therefore shows no real merit. The whole system is flawed in the sense that church was created to keep people controlled and stop them from thinking. There was a european continent on the verge of many revolutions, and the only way to brainwash people was with a story of something they couldn't explain, church did this and in the process took over the role of government. This became the downfall of nations, and is why our founding fathers chose to "separate" the two.

P.S. Don't try to argue this point unless you have a background in european history that extends further than "world history" in high school.

EDIT: you better start being tolerant of other religions...your savior was jewish, I don't think he would approve of you condeming all religions execept your specific branch of christianity. And yes, I'm aware that christianity wasn't around until after the time of chirst, but this makes you wonder what the truth is, or rather how we can get away saying christianity is right when there was religious beliefs before christ arose, and during his time, the jewish religion was "right," at least to jesus. Too many flaws to commit my life to something....if there's an afterlife I will be in heaven because I live my life being respectful to others and being peaceful.

 

[james33440 10+ year member]

For the record, I am saying all religions are WRONG except Christianity. That is how I feel.

Now, there are many churches that aren't right. I'll get into that later. For now, I have to go to work. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[swimfreak26 10+ year member]

You're NOT saying that all religions are wrong except christianity....you're saying that all churches except YOUR PARTICULAR BRANCH of christianity are wrong. You must understand that, and if your statement above is true then there is no way you can consciously bash on the catholic church because it, too, is a branch of christianity.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Okay. Where do I begin? Well, first off yes Catholicism is a form of Christianity. However, there are many things Catholics do that aren't good unto GOD. For instance, Catholics worship the bread and wine during communion. Catholics are worshiping these as if they are JESUS himself. People, this is idol worship. When people worship idols, they worship demons and Satan himself! This is witchcraft! Let me show you this....

I think you are confused on what the act of accepting the bread and the wine sybolizes. It sybolizes accepting Jesus' body and blood into your own, not worshiping or idolizing him. And since Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit and considered to be one in the same, it is also an act of accepting God into your own body, blood and soul. So to say that communion is "idolizing", you are also saying that prayer (accepting God into your body and soul) is a form of idolizing, which by your own admission would also make you wrong //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

"What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrafice to idols is any thing? But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrafice, they sacrafice to devils, and not to GOD: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils..." I Corinthians 10:19-20
"For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of GOD for us: nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with the blood of others..." Hebrews 9:24-28

Keep in mind that you are reading (quoting) interpretations of interpretations of interpretations of interpretations of interpretations of what someone somewhere a long time ago translated from Hebrew. That and those quotes are meaningless without the surrounding text, because a majority of the time quotes like that are taken completely out of context.

That is totally incorrect because Catholic priests are completely helpless to deal with any witchcraft because they themselves are serving Satan! Granted, some of them may not believe that, but none the less, they are still!

WOW, and all because you said so!!

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

For the record, I am saying all religions are WRONG except Christianity. That is how I feel.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/hilarious.gif.02a037aad04aa96f19982b298a3d70a8.gif That doesn't make you right.

Heck, I think that all religion/christianity is wrong, and that is how I feel. Does that make me right? I think so, but if someone wants to disagree I'm not going to tell them "you're wrong and I'm right". I'll simply explain my view, and let them live believing however they choose to believe.

 

[KARLEON 10+ year member]

hmmmm, since we are talking about God and the church and stuff like that. Completely off topic from the above, but was just curious. What do you all think about *** before marriage? I ask because me and my girl are currently going through this. We have been bestfriends for the longest and been in a relationship together for about 2 years. We have been sexually active together also for about 2 years but suddenly when her lifestyle changed, she felt we shouldnt do it anymore. That we should wait until we are married. And i respect all her wishes and thoughts. And she kept praying for me to grow stronger and honestly, i can see her prayers being answered. I see me growing. But i began to think. and some of you on the forums may know, because i sent some of you IM's via instant messenger and asked for your opinion.

But honestly im starting to wonder who determines a marriage? I mean honestly, i feel like the whole names on piece of paper or what ever making it legal is something man made. Something to be recognized by the states or what not. (again, dont flame because im still in the process of learning) But anyways, in my opinion, the person you should go through is God. (for those of you who believe) I say this because i went to him in prayer. I honestly felt him by my side. I know he got my prayer. Me and her know we will be getting married. We both know God put the will and faith in us and our relationship. And honestly, i feel like God as accpeted us as a couple. He answered all my prayers. and since, we have been growing together and learning more about him and such. And honestly, i feel like i done the right thing by going to him and getting his approval of our relationship other than letting a piece of paper determine it. Now i know my thoughts may be twisted or what ever and as i said, im still in the learning process about all that. I would just like everyone elses opinion

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

Okay. Where do I begin? Well, first off yes Catholicism is a form of Christianity. However, there are many things Catholics do that aren't good unto GOD. For instance, Catholics worship the bread and wine during communion. Catholics are worshiping these as if they are JESUS himself. People, this is idol worship. When people worship idols, they worship demons and Satan himself! This is witchcraft! Let me show you this....

But worshipping a person that we only know existed, and have NO proof of any miracles or that he was the son of god, is ok?

 

[Expy2000]

I could care less about being saved or what not, deal with that when I am dead.

 

[deadboi77 10+ year member]

theres aliens and dinosaurs in the Bible.....

 

[Brock 5,000+ posts]

It may not seem like they worship those items. BTW, some may not. I am not saying all Catholics are bad. What I am saying is that the original Doctrine of the Roman Catholics says plain and simple that you have to worship these as if they were JESUS. I have seen a copy of this Doctrine for myself. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Dude, youre a ****ing moron, honestly. I grew up going to Catholic school for ten years and never have I seen anything that says that. And I went to strict Roman Catholic true to the roots school. Can you produce this doctrine that says Catholics worship Idols? And some photocopied pamphlet from your church doesnt count.

Also, do you realize that the first testament is the same as the Jewish Torah? All the characters you believe in before the birth of Christ were Jews...did they all go to hell? lol...I can see David right now chillin in hell with Hitler. lol.

****ing moron.