Lasherž
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Sorry I wasn't on when you encountered that. Secure-boot is one of the more problematic things that have been added in Windows and UEFI bioses but it's for anti-virus purposes so it should be enabled. It allows the boot to run in a secure environment and combats diversions to side-load nefarious code posing as drivers (worms) pretty well.
I'm pretty sure with secure-boot you need to choose whether you want it or not before installing the OS, but once you do then you'll want a "known good settings" UEFI preset to fall back on since overclocking can affect its ability to boot once it fails a check (often because memory or CPU cache read errors). Most (all?) overclocking motherboards have these programmable presets. People have lost their OS because of aggressive overclocking, but usually it doesn't happen. When it does go badly it's usually because the security key the hardware and drivers agree on is corrupt and they start disagreeing so the motherboard treats the legitimate driver/OS like a side-load.
A side-note. When I overclock my memory I like to use a bootable memtest thumb drive to boot into instead of windows. It finds the obvious errors quickly and can help avoid corrupt files by not using important files when the memory is potentially exchanging information with the hard drive that could have bad memory states. Once you get it "pretty" stable (can pass a full memtest cycle) is when you start loading into Windows to run Aida64 on it.
I'm pretty sure with secure-boot you need to choose whether you want it or not before installing the OS, but once you do then you'll want a "known good settings" UEFI preset to fall back on since overclocking can affect its ability to boot once it fails a check (often because memory or CPU cache read errors). Most (all?) overclocking motherboards have these programmable presets. People have lost their OS because of aggressive overclocking, but usually it doesn't happen. When it does go badly it's usually because the security key the hardware and drivers agree on is corrupt and they start disagreeing so the motherboard treats the legitimate driver/OS like a side-load.
A side-note. When I overclock my memory I like to use a bootable memtest thumb drive to boot into instead of windows. It finds the obvious errors quickly and can help avoid corrupt files by not using important files when the memory is potentially exchanging information with the hard drive that could have bad memory states. Once you get it "pretty" stable (can pass a full memtest cycle) is when you start loading into Windows to run Aida64 on it.
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Firewalker
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Actually it wasn't the secure boot but stopping the install in the middle of it. That did contribute to it though after that. I tried everything I know and never encountered what he encountered in 34 years of this. Finally got around it at 1 in the morning and he got it installed.
Yeah make sure you download the latest drivers from AMD themselves as well.
And not a problem @Buck glad to do it!
Yeah make sure you download the latest drivers from AMD themselves as well.
And not a problem @Buck glad to do it!
Lasherž
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So between when it boots off the ISO/flash drive and when it boots off the windows installation there was an error that triggered secure-boot?
ThxOne
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I'm not sure but I think the USB ports on the front of the tower, that connect to the mother board via that cable, won't have drivers or up to date drivers until after you install the OS. The best USB ports to use are always on the I/O shield.
Also, once the OS is installed, go to EVERY website for EVERY item you installed and download the latest drivers from their respective web sites. I would start with the motherboard: BIOS/all other drivers/software. Graphics card drivers. Keyboard and mouse. Windows will install drivers for these things however the latest drivers from the manufacturers will be the BEST drivers to get.
If I remember, you have a Sapphire card... got to Sapphires website, not Radeon.
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It was actually the opposite, believe it or not. I HAD to use the only 2.0's that the tower came with for both my mouse and the OS flashdrive, or else I couldn't use my mouse or keyboard. The keyboard is the only one that worked naturally in the 3.0.
Lasherž
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I believe that's not true, the USB controller hosts all of the USB devices on a board unless otherwise stated and will pretty much always reside in the chipset driver or just let the windows drivers dictate it, that will apply to the front and the back equally since it interfaces as part of the south bridge, in other words, not very fast. Thunderbolt is the exception to this and those do usually require a driver for the interface chip (Asmedia is a common one). That's because it uses PCI-E lanes (up to 4) to get very fast interface speeds to the CPU that you wouldn't get on the south bridge.
That's all true with the only exception being that for motherboard onboard devices should all be from the motherboard partner site. Technically it's true that realtek makes your onboard sound card or that intel makes the chipset (except amd in this case), but the partner drivers (aka ASUS, Gigabyte, etc) will generally give you less problems and more features unless there's something screwing with your setup like compatibility that's not resolved any other way than to go direct to the more up to date generic drivers.
Video cards are much more standardized than motherboards and you can go direct to AMD or Nvidia.
Lasherž
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That sounds like a bios option wasn't enabled to allow booting from the 3.1 controller. I would imagine that'd be on by default. It could also appear later in the boot process so you'd need to use the one-time boot menu or something to see it. There should actually be 2 options for most USB drives, one that uses UEFI (which you want) and one that uses USB legacy. If you're only seeing the one then that's probably an issue in the bios.
Sometimes boards are setup for maximum boot speed and will forego checks like USB device boot paths in order to get crazy 5 second boot times.
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I did go to Sapphire's site. They sent me to Radeon's site. It was like 5 in the morning so I may have not been the most qualified at the time to make these decisions lol. I'll figure it sometime soon.
The problem may be my TV too, it's only about 1380 x 760 pixels. It almost looked like my screen had too many pixels to fit in it, if that makes sense. But it's freaking fast as hell, even with my memory only at 2133 mhz.
I did go to Sapphire's site. They sent me to Radeon's site. It was like 5 in the morning so I may have not been the most qualified at the time to make these decisions lol. I'll figure it sometime soon.
The problem may be my TV too, it's only about 1380 x 760 pixels. It almost looked like my screen had too many pixels to fit in it, if that makes sense. But it's freaking fast as hell, even with my memory only at 2133 mhz.
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No, it DID fine booting the program in the 3.0. The problem was that there was some sort of conflict where I couldn't use my mouse and keyboard at all really, they were extremely laggy when the OS USB was plugged into the 3.0.
All 17 of my USB ports are directly connected into the board. 1 on the inside, 12 on the back, 4 on the front (including the only 2.0's)
Lasherž
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Yeah that's a weird one, I'm not sure. Mice and keyboards are so compliant to the generic standard that it's hard to believe they wouldn't function in that installation environment.. I guess the mouse being 10 years old it's possible, but the keyboard too? I wonder if it was just general lag and not input lag. That would be more of a chipset thing. Is there a firmware update for that board that mentions it?
Firewalker
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It corrupted the entire windows install to the point it would go any further then saying it needed to be recovered/repaired. It was so messed up it wasn't even funny. I had him download AOMEI and had him create a bootable usb drive, wipe the hard drive, delete all partitions, rebuild the boot mgr and then create a new install dvd because no matter what it wouldn't recognize the ssd before that. Once he did all that, the install started up again off the dvd drive and bam it was fine and installed perfectly.
It was the oddest stuff I have probably seen to happen on a an install. It was driving me just as crazy as it was him plus I was dealing with WWIII with a now ex-friend who said some shit that well lets just say if I could get my hands on him, he wouldn't be feeling pretty good right about now.
So between that, trying to calm down from the stuff he said which you do not say to someone who is Disabled for life, can't help it, lost everything including his dream job, while saying I am too afraid to work and live off my parents. Yeah I was livid. I live on 1k a month compared to 40K when I got disabled 16 year ago. Went from that to zero for 3.5 years. I hated that my parents had to help me, it bothers me when they come every 2-3 days to help me clean because I can barely walk. He also threw it in my face that he isn't in high school anymore and doesn't worry about playing video games, car audio and stuff like that. Yeah well I drive 50 miles one way to a doctors appointment, I save up for months to buy one thing. Nothing wrong with doing that, and I don't have much to do sitting in the Northwoods of Wisconsin so yep I still play video games now and then, it helps keep me sane.
It was the oddest stuff I have probably seen to happen on a an install. It was driving me just as crazy as it was him plus I was dealing with WWIII with a now ex-friend who said some shit that well lets just say if I could get my hands on him, he wouldn't be feeling pretty good right about now.
So between that, trying to calm down from the stuff he said which you do not say to someone who is Disabled for life, can't help it, lost everything including his dream job, while saying I am too afraid to work and live off my parents. Yeah I was livid. I live on 1k a month compared to 40K when I got disabled 16 year ago. Went from that to zero for 3.5 years. I hated that my parents had to help me, it bothers me when they come every 2-3 days to help me clean because I can barely walk. He also threw it in my face that he isn't in high school anymore and doesn't worry about playing video games, car audio and stuff like that. Yeah well I drive 50 miles one way to a doctors appointment, I save up for months to buy one thing. Nothing wrong with doing that, and I don't have much to do sitting in the Northwoods of Wisconsin so yep I still play video games now and then, it helps keep me sane.
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