Computer building, I am

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

 

[LsGuy]

Has anyone else built or is building a computer?

My ability to not be able to work on cars or really even have a reason to drive anywhere has lead me here. I don't leave home much so I decided to build a computer.

I'm building it to run games at 1080 or 1440p with a high frame rate, 60 hz or better. Really aiming for 1440p, eventually. I don't think I have anything that will display past 1080p.

I put some good money into this. About the same amount of money I put into my electrical system in my explorer LOL. It's all perspective.

Anyways, like 2/3rds of my stuff is in the mail. I do have my motherboard, case and CPU. I am doing AIO water cooler for my CPU.

Put down your Playstation, put down your Xbox, quit being a puss, and build a computer. If you can install audio, you can probably build a computer. Computers are all 12v, and a lot of the voltages you have going across your board are tiny. Such as max CPU voltages of around 1.35-1.45 volts. I bought a really-ridiculously-over-the-top-never-gonna-use-all-features motherboard, specifically to mess with overclocking. Be warned, bc of the Rona, all prices and availability are really whacky. So much price gouging going on, I'm talking +100% price gouging. So if you ever do build one, watch your ***.

Here's my list of stuff I've ordered. Don't ask me the total price, I won't tell you.

Case: Corsair 750d High Air Flow Version
Motherboard: Asus Crosshair 8 Hero Wifi
CPU: AMD Ryzen 3800xt (8 core, 16 thread, 3.9-4.7 ghz)-> Ps5 max ghz is 3.5 iirc and xbox one is 3.8. That's max. And they aren't water cooled or have 8 140 mm case fans.
GPU: Sapphire Nitro+ RX 5700 XT (most expensive part I bought)-> supposedly can run 4k @ 120 hz. I'll believe that when it happens.
Storage: Corsair MP600 NVME SSD 1TB -> this thing reads and writes data super fast. It about the size of a memory stick. Putting my OS on it. I gotta get a secondary ssd for data.
Memory: G. Skills Ripjaw 2x8 @ 3600 mhz -> might have to lower the 3600 to around 2800 initially. 3000 mhz plus is considered overclocking for my CPU.
PSU: Seasonic SSR-850FX Focus (850w)
CPU cooler: Fractal Designs Celsius+ S28 Dynamic-> works like a car radiator. Water pump, 2 140 mm fans and a radiator.
Exhaust fans: 4x Corsair A1425L 12S-2-> 140 mm fans, ~1000 rpm, ~65 CFM
Intake fans: 2x Fractal Dynamics Venturi HF-14-> ~1200 rpm, ~ 120 CFM. The AIO fans will also be intake fans.
I have this old Lite-on CD/DVD player/writer I pulled out of an old computer. Hope it works, guess we'll find out.

That's pretty much everything except some random stuff like a GPU brace to keep from damaging the board and some connectors. Some these GPU's are so big, they should come included with a brace. I mean my card is over double the size of the slot it plugs into, and it's just supposed to hang from it?

2 games I'm wanting to play on my PC is heavily modded Fallout 4 and Cities Skylines. I'm really good at Cities Skylines. It's like my crack. My ps4 pro just can't handle how big the maps are and all the moving parts. Both gpu and cpu get a little overloaded. Cities slows down to much to even really play. I have to game because I can't do much else. I'm not gonna list everything wrong with me, it would be longer than this post. Can't work and in a lot of pain so gaming gets me by day by day, waiting for answer in the future hopefully.


I would like to say thank you to Trump and congress and the federal gov for my stimulus check, couldn't do it without you

Great choice of parts. Here's what I run for comparison:

Thermaltake View 71 RGB case
Asus X570 strix gaming
Ryzen 9 3900x
32 gigs Gskill Trident Neo RGB 3600
Nvidia 2070 super (will be upgrading to the 3080 next year)
Thermaltake 360mm AIO water cooler (want to go custom loop)
Evga 850w gold modular power supply
Samsung 1TB 970 EVO+ m.2 ssd
Samsung 1TB 960 PRO m.2 ssd
4 TB western digital black 7200 RPM storage drive
Samsung 500 GB 860 PRO (Ubuntu dual boot drive)

The one glaring thing I'd like to point out about people saying your card will push 120 fps at 4k. This is misleading. Will that card play solitare at 120 4k? Sure. Will it play War zone at max settings? Absofuckinglutely not. Your card us ~10% slower that the 2070 super I have in my desktop now. I game at 1440p, and there many games I can't even push over 100 fps. I wouldn't even attempt gaming on my gpu at 4k, it's not worth the frame drops over 1440. The 5700xt is a good card proving they finally fixed the driver issues and heat problems, but don't go into it thinking that card is something it isnt.

Your motherboard is actually a step above mine, so congrats on that. However I would like to point out that the next generation of CPUs likely won't run on X570. The 5000 series is the second generation of CPUs running x570, going my AMDs recent track record they like to switch up chipsets every third CPU generation.

Your ram choice is solid. A little light, perhaps, but good enough for gaming purposes. If you want to get into any rendering or video editing I would advise you to grab another kit of that same ram and run 32 gigs. Can't go wrong with Gskill, and 3600 is the perfect speed for ryzen 3k. You should not have to throttle the speed back initially on that motherboard, will likely recognize and run immediately at 3600.

3800xt cpu is beyond rock solid and more than enough for even most pc enthusiasts. I don't see you looking to upgrade that for 5+ years. I run the 3900x because I do a lot of virtual machines.

Cpu cooler is fine, AIOs for the most part are pretty similar as long as you stick with a reputable brand.

As far as Intel vs AMD, and AMD vs Nvidia. Cpu, AMD hands down no contest. As somebody who prior to 2 years ago wouldn't touch an amd CPU, in the current generation I 1000% back amd. The 3k series beat out Intel at basically everything. There were SOME games where Intel would outperform AMD slightly with their flagship, but it was negligible. The 3-5% fps gains in select titles was massively offset by AMDs ability to workstation. Now with the 5k series AMD chips, its a blowout. Intel tech is old. They either need to get their heads out of their *****, or start playing the budget cpu game as amd did for so long. Intel can't even get solidly into 10 NM, let alone 7.

On the flip side, I still back Nvidia GPUs. Amd has been bringing the head hardware wise for a few years now, but poor driver quality control has left most of us hesitant to give them a shot. AMD top tier cards perform about as well as Nvidia mid tier cards, and are priced accordingly so no issues there. We will see how things change year when Intel jumps into the GPU race. Its a smart move on Intels part. They have lost a massive customer base due to not being able to develop their technology to the level AMD is running, they need to make up that revenue.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Great choice of parts. Here's what I run for comparison:

Thermaltake View 71 RGB case
Asus X570 strix gaming
Ryzen 9 3900x
32 gigs Gskill Trident Neo RGB 3600
Nvidia 2070 super (will be upgrading to the 3080 next year)
Thermaltake 360mm AIO water cooler (want to go custom loop)
Evga 850w gold modular power supply
Samsung 1TB 970 EVO+ m.2 ssd
Samsung 1TB 960 PRO m.2 ssd
4 TB western digital black 7200 RPM storage drive
Samsung 500 GB 860 PRO (Ubuntu dual boot drive)

The one glaring thing I'd like to point out about people saying your card will push 120 fps at 4k. This is misleading. Will that card play solitare at 120 4k? Sure. Will it play War zone at max settings? Absofuckinglutely not. Your card us ~10% slower that the 2070 super I have in my desktop now. I game at 1440p, and there many games I can't even push over 100 fps. I wouldn't even attempt gaming on my gpu at 4k, it's not worth the frame drops over 1440. The 5700xt is a good card proving they finally fixed the driver issues and heat problems, but don't go into it thinking that card is something it isnt.

Your motherboard is actually a step above mine, so congrats on that. However I would like to point out that the next generation of CPUs likely won't run on X570. The 5000 series is the second generation of CPUs running x570, going my AMDs recent track record they like to switch up chipsets every third CPU generation.

Your ram choice is solid. A little light, perhaps, but good enough for gaming purposes. If you want to get into any rendering or video editing I would advise you to grab another kit of that same ram and run 32 gigs. Can't go wrong with Gskill, and 3600 is the perfect speed for ryzen 3k. You should not have to throttle the speed back initially on that motherboard, will likely recognize and run immediately at 3600.

3800xt cpu is beyond rock solid and more than enough for even most pc enthusiasts. I don't see you looking to upgrade that for 5+ years. I run the 3900x because I do a lot of virtual machines.

Cpu cooler is fine, AIOs for the most part are pretty similar as long as you stick with a reputable brand.

As far as Intel vs AMD, and AMD vs Nvidia. Cpu, AMD hands down no contest. As somebody who prior to 2 years ago wouldn't touch an amd CPU, in the current generation I 1000% back amd. The 3k series beat out Intel at basically everything. There were SOME games where Intel would outperform AMD slightly with their flagship, but it was negligible. The 3-5% fps gains in select titles was massively offset by AMDs ability to workstation. Now with the 5k series AMD chips, its a blowout. Intel tech is old. They either need to get their heads out of their *****, or start playing the budget cpu game as amd did for so long. Intel can't even get solidly into 10 NM, let alone 7.

On the flip side, I still back Nvidia GPUs. Amd has been bringing the head hardware wise for a few years now, but poor driver quality control has left most of us hesitant to give them a shot. AMD top tier cards perform about as well as Nvidia mid tier cards, and are priced accordingly so no issues there. We will see how things change year when Intel jumps into the GPU race. Its a smart move on Intels part. They have lost a massive customer base due to not being able to develop their technology to the level AMD is running, they need to make up that revenue.

Yeah I plan to upgrade ram eventually, just wanted to get the computer started up initially, keep whatever costs down I could.

I'm not worried about whatever being old because I can always replace it. I just wanted to get my foot in the door. With what I do, I highly doubt I'll need a processor faster than a 5800 or 5900 or 5950 within the next ten years, you know? Consoles are going to largely determine a lot of games, they're so limited that I'm not worried about my CPU in this generation, maybe 7 years from now it'll be slow, and I'll have more money by then to upgrade, you know what I mean? I really only care about frame rate. Highest I will run more than likely will be 1440. And yeah, I'll believe 4k @ 120 hz when I see it. I'm not that naive, trust me lol. I was forced to get that card because everything else is out. Like that wasn't my choice other than I couldn't find what I wanted that wasn't $200+ over MSRP. Some of my equipment just had to be that way because of all the shortages right now.

But when I get it up and running, we'll see what I'm actually able to do. I'm set up for overclocking on everything I have, so I'm gonna mess with hopefully low voltage overclocking, if I can figure it out.

Like I say, this build is just getting my foot in the door.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

And I'm going to have 8 140 mm fans in my case, 2 of them on that AIO, and then 3 fans on my GPU. I'm making this case a wind machine.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I'll have a total of 11 fans in there. Doing all this for cooling and longevity. Most of the stuff I'm doing won't even begin to stress the system, and that's really what I wanted.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Great choice of parts. Here's what I run for comparison:

Thermaltake View 71 RGB case
Asus X570 strix gaming
Ryzen 9 3900x
32 gigs Gskill Trident Neo RGB 3600
Nvidia 2070 super (will be upgrading to the 3080 next year)
Thermaltake 360mm AIO water cooler (want to go custom loop)
Evga 850w gold modular power supply
Samsung 1TB 970 EVO+ m.2 ssd
Samsung 1TB 960 PRO m.2 ssd
4 TB western digital black 7200 RPM storage drive
Samsung 500 GB 860 PRO (Ubuntu dual boot drive)

The one glaring thing I'd like to point out about people saying your card will push 120 fps at 4k. This is misleading. Will that card play solitare at 120 4k? Sure. Will it play War zone at max settings? Absofuckinglutely not. Your card us ~10% slower that the 2070 super I have in my desktop now. I game at 1440p, and there many games I can't even push over 100 fps. I wouldn't even attempt gaming on my gpu at 4k, it's not worth the frame drops over 1440. The 5700xt is a good card proving they finally fixed the driver issues and heat problems, but don't go into it thinking that card is something it isnt.

Your motherboard is actually a step above mine, so congrats on that. However I would like to point out that the next generation of CPUs likely won't run on X570. The 5000 series is the second generation of CPUs running x570, going my AMDs recent track record they like to switch up chipsets every third CPU generation.

Your ram choice is solid. A little light, perhaps, but good enough for gaming purposes. If you want to get into any rendering or video editing I would advise you to grab another kit of that same ram and run 32 gigs. Can't go wrong with Gskill, and 3600 is the perfect speed for ryzen 3k. You should not have to throttle the speed back initially on that motherboard, will likely recognize and run immediately at 3600.

3800xt cpu is beyond rock solid and more than enough for even most pc enthusiasts. I don't see you looking to upgrade that for 5+ years. I run the 3900x because I do a lot of virtual machines.

Cpu cooler is fine, AIOs for the most part are pretty similar as long as you stick with a reputable brand.

As far as Intel vs AMD, and AMD vs Nvidia. Cpu, AMD hands down no contest. As somebody who prior to 2 years ago wouldn't touch an amd CPU, in the current generation I 1000% back amd. The 3k series beat out Intel at basically everything. There were SOME games where Intel would outperform AMD slightly with their flagship, but it was negligible. The 3-5% fps gains in select titles was massively offset by AMDs ability to workstation. Now with the 5k series AMD chips, its a blowout. Intel tech is old. They either need to get their heads out of their *****, or start playing the budget cpu game as amd did for so long. Intel can't even get solidly into 10 NM, let alone 7.

On the flip side, I still back Nvidia GPUs. Amd has been bringing the head hardware wise for a few years now, but poor driver quality control has left most of us hesitant to give them a shot. AMD top tier cards perform about as well as Nvidia mid tier cards, and are priced accordingly so no issues there. We will see how things change year when Intel jumps into the GPU race. Its a smart move on Intels part. They have lost a massive customer base due to not being able to develop their technology to the level AMD is running, they need to make up that revenue.

Yeah intel was the big dawg that got lazy, for sure it seems that way. They're playing catchup, they need to come out with a new full line and better chipsets and compatibility for PCIE 4.0. Get rid of the power hogging 22mm lithography.

***edit correction, intel has 14mm lithography. I was thinking of an older CPU. Sorry! <3

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Great choice of parts. Here's what I run for comparison:

Thermaltake View 71 RGB case
Asus X570 strix gaming
Ryzen 9 3900x
32 gigs Gskill Trident Neo RGB 3600
Nvidia 2070 super (will be upgrading to the 3080 next year)
Thermaltake 360mm AIO water cooler (want to go custom loop)
Evga 850w gold modular power supply
Samsung 1TB 970 EVO+ m.2 ssd
Samsung 1TB 960 PRO m.2 ssd
4 TB western digital black 7200 RPM storage drive
Samsung 500 GB 860 PRO (Ubuntu dual boot drive)

The one glaring thing I'd like to point out about people saying your card will push 120 fps at 4k. This is misleading. Will that card play solitare at 120 4k? Sure. Will it play War zone at max settings? Absofuckinglutely not. Your card us ~10% slower that the 2070 super I have in my desktop now. I game at 1440p, and there many games I can't even push over 100 fps. I wouldn't even attempt gaming on my gpu at 4k, it's not worth the frame drops over 1440. The 5700xt is a good card proving they finally fixed the driver issues and heat problems, but don't go into it thinking that card is something it isnt.

Your motherboard is actually a step above mine, so congrats on that. However I would like to point out that the next generation of CPUs likely won't run on X570. The 5000 series is the second generation of CPUs running x570, going my AMDs recent track record they like to switch up chipsets every third CPU generation.

Your ram choice is solid. A little light, perhaps, but good enough for gaming purposes. If you want to get into any rendering or video editing I would advise you to grab another kit of that same ram and run 32 gigs. Can't go wrong with Gskill, and 3600 is the perfect speed for ryzen 3k. You should not have to throttle the speed back initially on that motherboard, will likely recognize and run immediately at 3600.

3800xt cpu is beyond rock solid and more than enough for even most pc enthusiasts. I don't see you looking to upgrade that for 5+ years. I run the 3900x because I do a lot of virtual machines.

Cpu cooler is fine, AIOs for the most part are pretty similar as long as you stick with a reputable brand.

As far as Intel vs AMD, and AMD vs Nvidia. Cpu, AMD hands down no contest. As somebody who prior to 2 years ago wouldn't touch an amd CPU, in the current generation I 1000% back amd. The 3k series beat out Intel at basically everything. There were SOME games where Intel would outperform AMD slightly with their flagship, but it was negligible. The 3-5% fps gains in select titles was massively offset by AMDs ability to workstation. Now with the 5k series AMD chips, its a blowout. Intel tech is old. They either need to get their heads out of their *****, or start playing the budget cpu game as amd did for so long. Intel can't even get solidly into 10 NM, let alone 7.

On the flip side, I still back Nvidia GPUs. Amd has been bringing the head hardware wise for a few years now, but poor driver quality control has left most of us hesitant to give them a shot. AMD top tier cards perform about as well as Nvidia mid tier cards, and are priced accordingly so no issues there. We will see how things change year when Intel jumps into the GPU race. Its a smart move on Intels part. They have lost a massive customer base due to not being able to develop their technology to the level AMD is running, they need to make up that revenue.

I'm glad I'm doing a box with you, hope it goes well so you can give me more advice bahahaha

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

What other chipset would I have gone with besides the X570? The X570 seems a little better than the B550, even though it's older. What I saw, the B550 chipset was developed initially as a cheaper alternative to the X570. I mean my board was the board of the year last year IIRC.

 

[LsGuy]

What other chipset would I have gone with besides the X570? The X570 seems a little better than the B550, even though it's older. What I saw, the B550 chipset was developed initially as a cheaper alternative to the X570. I mean my board was the board of the year last year IIRC.

There's nothing better than x570, the next generation boards aren't out yet. Just giving you a heads up that the next gen cpu will likely launch along side a new chipset. You cpu will be fine for years to come, and a 5k series will be fine for even longer. Don't sweat it. By the time you're ready to upgrade DDR5 will probably be mainstream and you'll want a new board for that anyway.

 

[Firewalker]

Umm Intel has been using a 14nm for the 10th generation and yeah they use 125 watts. And yeah they dropped the ball on PCI 4.0 no doubt there, it was in there at the beginning and then they dropped it for some stupid reason. And the 11th Generation is coming out with reported wattage at least in laptops of 12-30 watts. That is really low. Now for the desktop who knows just yet as they haven't announced it from what I have seen. I still prefer Intel over AMD and Nvidia over AMD all day long there. AMD drivers **** and have for the past 20 years. AMD has made strides the past few years but we all have our preferences. Also the 11th generation will still be using 14nm just like with the 10th generation.

 

[LsGuy]

Intel has been on 14 NM since like skylake, and honestly they've pretty much been dropping the ball since then as well. They haven't really developed anything new in years, they just keep optimizing the same cpu. Amd drivers ****, I agree. That doesn't really effect cpu though. My preference is simply for the better cpu, and there just isn't any argument here, AMD has the title. You of course can prefer anything you like, but it doesn't make it better.

 

[Firewalker]

Right now AMD has the edge with their lineup vs the current 10th Gen but also their prices on some are higher as well vs Intel. Where it used to be the other way around. Before that AMD was getting their ***** kicked year in year out by Intel. No one knows what the new 11th Generation is going to be for the Desktops so to assume AMD will still beat it is presumptuous. Been doing this since the mid '80s and I've used every known maker since then. Probably built a couple hundred PC's since then.

And all I said was we each have our preferences nothing more you had to make it about who or what is better not me with regards to the CPU. I never said AMD wasn't doing great in the CPU department right now.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Umm Intel has been using a 14nm for the 10th generation and yeah they use 125 watts. And yeah they dropped the ball on PCI 4.0 no doubt there, it was in there at the beginning and then they dropped it for some stupid reason. And the 11th Generation is coming out with reported wattage at least in laptops of 12-30 watts. That is really low. Now for the desktop who knows just yet as they haven't announced it from what I have seen. I still prefer Intel over AMD and Nvidia over AMD all day long there. AMD drivers **** and have for the past 20 years. AMD has made strides the past few years but we all have our preferences. Also the 11th generation will still be using 14nm just like with the 10th generation.

Yeah I was mistaken, I was thinking about something else, you're right it is 14, but that's still double what AMD does.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

The i9-10900k seems pretty good for the price. It uses a lot of power though, and gets hotter supposedly. I think that's where the lithography comes in. But I'm not 100% sure.