yes but what i'm trying to get across is i drive 40-50 miles a week (not a day) i don't compete, if i had a big stereo or if i competed as some here do and have big systems and they don't make boxes., so y am i the only one peeps get on for not making a box.. i have istered 15 floor joist under my house i can cut a board (not straight for more than 10" though) and i can us a drill but i couldn't cut a circle if u gave me a saw that only cut circles.. others here have said the same thing but tahoe don't pick on them every time someone says "look at my new box" he don't mention the other 20 peeps here that don't make boxes