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Number of subs preferred: 1 or 2

Size preferred (if configuration allows): 10" or 12"

Budget: Maximum $180 per subwoofer

Power to be used (which amp(s), include which resistance): will pick accompanying amp

Goals: SQ > loudness. More torwards accurate, tight bass. I don't like muddy subwoofers, good transient response.

Listening habits: Decent volume, but never to the point where my ears get fatigued or experience dizzyness.

Preferred brands/subs/whatever: whatever sounds good.

 

My friend has two pioneer 12" dual voice coil TS series (300W RMS), and while they sound awesome, they don't sound the most accurate, and don't have that much definition.

 

I'm also wondering, Vas, FS, QTS and xMAX, ratings are valueable numbers to know, what each one means, and what are ideal ranges.

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box has a lot to do with how subs sound.. pioneer 3003 is much better.. if you want better sq and a sealed box u can get daytons for $149 or so at parts express.com.. remember if you want loud ported is the way to go but a good ported box will cost you, prefabs are not tuned low enough and will sound as u said muddy.. so add in $200 min for dual ported box unless u can build one..


KENWOOD X301 HU, PRECISION POWER Phantom 1000, FU 750 12, 2.1cfad ported, soundqubed 6.5" coax/doors, hp & lp xover on hu, AGM starting batt...

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2 ohms rule

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Number of subs preferred: 1 or 2

Size preferred (if configuration allows): 10" or 12"

Budget: Maximum $180 per subwoofer

Power to be used (which amp(s), include which resistance): will pick accompanying amp

Goals: SQ > loudness. More torwards accurate, tight bass. I don't like muddy subwoofers, good transient response.

Listening habits: Decent volume, but never to the point where my ears get fatigued or experience dizzyness.

Preferred brands/subs/whatever: whatever sounds good.

 

My friend has two pioneer 12" dual voice coil TS series (300W RMS), and while they sound awesome, they don't sound the most accurate, and don't have that much definition.

 

I'm also wondering, Vas, FS, QTS and xMAX, ratings are valueable numbers to know, what each one means, and what are ideal ranges.

 

Vas, fs, qts, xmax and the rest of the theile small parameters vary depending on the driver and its intended use. I suggest learning what they are and how they interact with each other. There is no simple explanation to your question. Buy the most recent copy of Vance Dickinsons Loudspeaker Cookbook. Beware its very heavy on theory with tiny graphs and basically reads like a term papwer or dissertation. I've read it twice and a lot of it still confuses me.


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If it was me I'd look at the type S 10's or 12's and focus on having a correct enclosure built. They don't need a lot of power and sound good in a ported enclosure. Some folks like em in sealed but I'm about the way a ported box increases output where you want it to pound. Can you build an enclosure? Please don't pre-fab whatever you do. I wouldn't use a pre-fab unless it's sealed and then I'd use it for a last option. Doing the enclosure for the vehicle/subs/power and tune you want is super important... some people view it as just the box... lol... it's as important as the subs, you can buy a set of $500 subs and stuff em in an incorrect enclosure and that $1000 investment just sounds like a lot less... :suicide:...

Anyways that's one option and they are not very expensive, don't require a ton of power and sound good.

Do the enclosure right and you'll be surprised at how accurate it sounds...

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Lots of other options out there for sure tho, but I like the Type S... 10's or 12's, whatever you got room for... which leads to the next question... what vehicle/space do you have available?

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If it was me I'd look at the type S 10's or 12's and focus on having a correct enclosure built. They don't need a lot of power and sound good in a ported enclosure. Some folks like em in sealed but I'm about the way a ported box increases output where you want it to pound. Can you build an enclosure? Please don't pre-fab whatever you do. I wouldn't use a pre-fab unless it's sealed and then I'd use it for a last option. Doing the enclosure for the vehicle/subs/power and tune you want is super important... some people view it as just the box... lol... it's as important as the subs, you can buy a set of $500 subs and stuff em in an incorrect enclosure and that $1000 investment just sounds like a lot less... :suicide:...

Anyways that's one option and they are not very expensive, don't require a ton of power and sound good.

Do the enclosure right and you'll be surprised at how accurate it sounds...

rC3PYh.jpg

Lots of other options out there for sure tho, but I like the Type S... 10's or 12's, whatever you got room for... which leads to the next question... what vehicle/space do you have available?

 

Nissan Sentra SV 2015

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Nissan Sentra SV 2015

 

Take a look at that enclosure above... think it'll fit and go in? That box would do well on a basic 750-1000 watt amp, most likely put those Pioneers you heard to shame. If you list max space for design help... make sure it'll go thru the opening.. lol

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I have a pair of brand new infinity kappa perfect 10.1 if interested. Great SQ with decent SPL.


2004 Honda S2000

Pioneer DEH-80-PRS

new build in progress (most likely audison voce av k6, tc sounds tc-1000 8, phoenix gold ti21600.5

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Okay, so I think I'm just gonna do a single since I'd like to save tunk space (and $$$). I don't think I could build my own enclosure. Tomorrow I can measure my trunk and update y'all.

 

I was looking on crutchfield:

Alpine SWS-10D4

Sound Ordnance™ Bass Bunker

Sealed single 10" subwoofer enclosure (Model BB10-64S)

JBL GTX500 Mono subwoofer amplifier — 500 watts RMS x 1 at 2 ohms

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Where in Orlando are ya?


97 4 dr. Tahoe

Interstate battery

Alpine 9835

Polk Audio MM6501 comps

Wolfram amps coming soon, 3000.1, 125.4

2 Sundown Audio X 15's Tuned @ 30Hz.

Knukonceptz/Royal Excelene wiring

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Don't get prefab...junk, tuned too high and prob won't sound good to the sub you get.


97 4 dr. Tahoe

Interstate battery

Alpine 9835

Polk Audio MM6501 comps

Wolfram amps coming soon, 3000.1, 125.4

2 Sundown Audio X 15's Tuned @ 30Hz.

Knukonceptz/Royal Excelene wiring

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Where in Orlando are ya?

 

North of Orlando, near Altamonte Springs. What should I get for an enclosure then?

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North of Orlando, near Altamonte Springs. What should I get for an enclosure then?

 

pick sub/s and get shredder2 here to design one for you and make or get it made..


KENWOOD X301 HU, PRECISION POWER Phantom 1000, FU 750 12, 2.1cfad ported, soundqubed 6.5" coax/doors, hp & lp xover on hu, AGM starting batt...

Boomin_tahoe said:
2 ohms rule

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pick sub/s and get shredder2 here to design one for you and make or get it made..

 

I don't have the tools to make one. I don't know anyone who will make one for me. I'll look into that shredder dude.

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I don't have the tools to make one. I don't know anyone who will make one for me. I'll look into that shredder dude.

me either and i can't cut a circle anyway lol.. if u look on fb or cl in your area u can normally find box makers.. just get good design and make sure they make it by those specs instead of just making a box that's too small and or tuned to high..


KENWOOD X301 HU, PRECISION POWER Phantom 1000, FU 750 12, 2.1cfad ported, soundqubed 6.5" coax/doors, hp & lp xover on hu, AGM starting batt...

Boomin_tahoe said:
2 ohms rule

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North of Orlando, near Altamonte Springs. What should I get for an enclosure then?

 

Look on CL or Offerup...sometimes there's some boxbuilders advertising there for business. And since Orlando is known for high humidity and increasing the summer months, people wanna get out of the house and go driving. Get a design from shredder2 you'll be happy.


97 4 dr. Tahoe

Interstate battery

Alpine 9835

Polk Audio MM6501 comps

Wolfram amps coming soon, 3000.1, 125.4

2 Sundown Audio X 15's Tuned @ 30Hz.

Knukonceptz/Royal Excelene wiring

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me either and i can't cut a circle anyway lol.. if u look on fb or cl in your area u can normally find box makers.. just get good design and make sure they make it by those specs instead of just making a box that's too small and or tuned to high..

 

...or glue a surround back to the basket. Yup, had to inject that comment in there. The ******* has just been released from me....


97 4 dr. Tahoe

Interstate battery

Alpine 9835

Polk Audio MM6501 comps

Wolfram amps coming soon, 3000.1, 125.4

2 Sundown Audio X 15's Tuned @ 30Hz.

Knukonceptz/Royal Excelene wiring

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I'm tellin ya... that guy... lol... he needs some lookin into... what a try-hard...:santa:

 

Sorry bro...meant to quote the OP

 

Yep, just saw it. I knew that **** was too expensive on crutchfield lol.

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Yep, just saw it. I knew that **** was too expensive on crutchfield lol.

 

Lemme know what you decide to get, what your tuning preference is, what amp you'll use and realistically the space you're willing to give up and what'll fit and I'll do what I can to help... I'm just keeping the ol' sketchup skills sharp... lol... really I'm just tryin to get faster.

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