Wow Orion Nice job.

[kr15 5,000+ posts]

Even at 2ohm, its a cheaper option than a Kicker 2500.

Still, i think this amp would be fine on good electrical. Its a 3k, if you dont have a ho alt and a couple agm's, what do you expect?

 

[honkyg 10+ year member]

I can't tell if 99% of the people on IJWB are trolling or serious.

serious, but im inclined to think 'stupid' can be substituted, however, there are some that pursue learning more, but that just is not the right page to do so as far as im concerned.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

serious, but im inclined to think 'stupid' can be substituted, however, there are some that pursue learning more, but that just is not the right page to do so as far as im concerned.

Yeah the actual good advice gets covered up by the nonsense.

And TBH most of the time they just want to be told what they want to hear. They don't want to be told it don't work that way.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Even at 2ohm, its a cheaper option than a Kicker 2500. Still, i think this amp would be fine on good electrical. Its a 3k, if you dont have a ho alt and a couple agm's, what do you expect?

Quality is questionable. One thing about kicker, they are built to last.

 

[ciaonzo 5,000+ posts]

So in your guys' minds, when we are speaking to the quality of the build on this particular model are we highlighting the quality/number/brand of transformers, caps, and output devices (trnsistors)? Or the topology (antiquated class D), or number of components to power ratio? Just want to make sure we're in alignment on that.

I see 3 transformers, a hefty bank of caps (not sure about the brand/quality), and some good-sized packages clamped to the at heatsink. Like as big as the jumbo Toshiba devices. When I compare that to my CT Sounds 1400.1 I see two transformers, a decent cap bank and seemingly enough output devices to cope with low impedance operation. That little guy seems to make the power.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

So in your guys' minds, when we are speaking to the quality of the build on this particular model are we highlighting the quality/number/brand of transformers, caps, and output devices (trnsistors)? Or the topology (antiquated class D), or number of components to power ratio? Just want to make sure we're in alignment on that.
I see 3 transformers, a hefty back of caps (not sure about the brand/quality), and some good-sized packages clamped to the at heatsink. Like as big as the jumbo Toshiba devices. When I compare that to my CT Sounds 1400.1 I see two transformers, a decent cap back and seemingly enough output devices to cope with low impedance operation. That little guy seems to make the power.

I was going off how many I've seen smoke but again, could be user error. The price worries me. I've always got what I've paid for with a few rare exceptions. But this is Orion, the amps that always cost a fortune.

 

[ciaonzo 5,000+ posts]

Gotchya.

I was reading a thread on CACO and they were highlighting a review on the 3700.1. I think it was from "On The Bench" and they were indicating pretty much the same thing, that it was not as efficient at 1 ohm and you should be using a high output alternator with two AGM's for continued (ab)use at 1 ohm. They actually favored the sound quality, mentioning that it was better than the DEI days.

I mainly need this 2500.1 for my RLS type drivers because they are brutal when it comes to the demand they place on an amplifier. I also like the fact that I can defeat the subsonic filter altogether. Being an LMS driver, I want to allow it to dig as far down as it can. I'm obviously not an SPl guy so I tend to favor bandwidth over output on any occasion.

 

[honkyg 10+ year member]

So in your guys' minds, when we are speaking to the quality of the build on this particular model are we highlighting the quality/number/brand of transformers, caps, and output devices (trnsistors)? Or the topology (antiquated class D), or number of components to power ratio? Just want to make sure we're in alignment on that.
I see 3 transformers, a hefty back of caps (not sure about the brand/quality), and some good-sized packages clamped to the at heatsink. Like as big as the jumbo Toshiba devices. When I compare that to my CT Sounds 1400.1 I see two transformers, a decent cap back and seemingly enough output devices to cope with low impedance operation. That little guy seems to make the power.

it's my opinion that build quality comes in different forms, but with this orion example, it seems to be somewhat balanced in all the facets you mention with a slight lean towards being overbuilt as different engineers in electronic architecture find different means and techniques to achieving the same general end result, however, capacitor quality arguments have been beaten to death across the net for many years on end that some swear by, and others believe are all proficient at getting the job done as long as theyre not film/paper types.

your 1400.1 is built rather well and real world testing indicates it produces in excess of 1800w @.8 ohm at 14.4v, but comparing the two is trivial just by looking at the components used as we dont really know how an arbitrary design following a topology uses said arrangement of components together as a whole. we also have to understand that some engineers design based on what is available and cost effective at the time.

is the 1400.1 impedance stability capable of .5? idk, honest question.

 

[ciaonzo 5,000+ posts]

it's my opinion that build quality comes in different forms, but with this orion example, it seems to be somewhat balanced in all the facets you mention with a slight lean towards being overbuilt as different engineers in electronic architecture find different means and techniques to achieving the same general end result, however, capacitor quality arguments have been beaten to death across the net for many years on end that some swear by, and others believe are all proficient at getting the job done as long as theyre not film/paper types.
your 1400.1 is built rather well and real world testing indicates it produces in excess of 1800w @.8 ohm at 14.4v, but comparing the two is trivial just by looking at the components used as we dont really know how an arbitrary design following a topology uses said arrangement of components together as a whole. we also have to understand that some engineers design based on what is available and cost effective at the time.

is the 1400.1 impedance stability capable of .5? idk, honest question.

All great points you make. And yeah, I didn't intend for a comparison between the two amps for power so much as just the build but that brings us back to what you already mentioned. No doubt they are different. As far as I'm aware, I don't believe the 1400.1 was intended for .5 stability. Haven't delved into researching it much, though.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

It looks like they have already started raising the prices. The 4000.4 was under a grand and now it's over. How in the hell can a 600x4 at 4 be that cheap? That's more then double the power of any 4 channel. 250x4 at 4 is the largest I've ever seen.

 

[Jeffdachef 5,000+ posts]

It looks like they have already started raising the prices. The 4000.4 was under a grand and now it's over. How in the hell can a 600x4 at 4 be that cheap? That's more then double the power of any 4 channel. 250x4 at 4 is the largest I've ever seen.

They werent kidding when they said they were gonna kick some @ss last year to this year. I thought it was just empty marketing claims but looks like they are getting back into it.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

It looks like they have already started raising the prices. The 4000.4 was under a grand and now it's over. How in the hell can a 600x4 at 4 be that cheap? That's more then double the power of any 4 channel. 250x4 at 4 is the largest I've ever seen.

Most companies mark their products 3x to dealers and dealers double that.

100x4 to build is under 100 bucks. 200 is about 180 dollars.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Most companies mark their products 3x to dealers and dealers double that.
100x4 to build is under 100 bucks. 200 is about 180 dollars.

That depends on if it's off the shelf or proprietary.

 

[Boomin_tahoe 5,000+ posts]

I like tacos.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

That depends on if it's off the shelf or proprietary.

dude do you know what your talking about? if you have the buying power its not much more to get a custom board made. if you buy 25000 units they won't even charge you for the design. lol