why that was nice

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

If they just killed themselves instead, it wouldn't have been an issue.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

its the conservative spin machine funded by the insurance companies waging a successful propaganda campaign .. stupid people are scared easily.

On both sides of this debate.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

On both sides of this debate.

we all know conservatives are evil and that's scary.

Liberals love puppies and that's not scary just cute.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

we all know conservatives are evil and that's scary.
Liberals love puppies and that's not scary just cute.

Yes, but conservatives grow flowers with butterflies. Butterfly gardens are cute, ain't they?

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

or even better come play in the thread you ran away from yesterday.

I didn't run away. I have these things called "Friends" that hold more weight in my life than ca.com. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

And //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif Harrison Bergeron is a story completely about equality. Hence why I mentioned, "Ever read Harrison Bergeron"

You pompous fuck.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

My question remains unanswered. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

jmanpc been down there for a while.. he is either really slow or gonna post some really strong arguments.

I'm at work, where I have to work occasionally, hence why I have remained inactive in this thread.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

And //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif Harrison Bergeron is a story completely about equality. Hence why I mentioned, "Ever read Harrison Bergeron"
You pompous fuck.

that's just like you to resort to crass insults when someone tries to engage you in a meaningful debate.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

sick people **** just as bad as poor people

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Yes, but conservatives grow flowers with butterflies. Butterfly gardens are cute, ain't they?

yes but its a trick.

Concervatives grow flesh eating butterflies which will attack your children and pets.

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

Going back to the original question, as American citizens, we are to be treated equally under the law, and we are guaranteed equality in the receipt of our rights as outlined by the Bill of Rights and the constitution.

However, we are not guaranteed equality in our material possessions or wealth. There will always be haves and have-nots. A classless society is a swell idea, however it is not feasible because of our selfish human nature. To ask a man who labors 40 hours a week to forfeit his pay to a deadbeat, goes against what is innate within him.

 

[SomeGuyDude 10+ year member]

I'm not gonna say where I land on this debate, but I really wish what we could have in the US were HONEST discussion on the bill before Congress.

All this propaganda about euthanasia and death panels, socialism, people storming Town Hall meetings with signs with swastikas on them calling Obama Hitler and whatever else, it just really fvcks up the whole thing. Not only does it cloud the issue horrifically by getting everyone distracted with BS that isn't even a part of the dang bill (so no one can talk about the bill's actual contents), but it even drowns out the opposition by making it look like they're all a bunch of kooks and maniacs.

It's be nice if a liberal and a conservative could sit down on television and actually discuss the merits of the proposal, its legitimate strengths and shortcomings, that way the public is informed about what's actually in there and make a decision. But in the age of 24-hour news networks and sound bytes over reporting, that's too much to ask for.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

The story has spread so fast even President Obama got asked about it at one of his town hall meetings. But no, the health care overhaul bill now working its way through Congress would not require seniors to learn how to die prematurely.
It's not, however, because people aren't saying it. The most notable spokeswoman for the cause is Elizabeth McCaughey, the former lieutenant governor of New York. McCaughey's last brush with major public prominence came during the debate over then-President Bill Clinton's health plan, when she wrote a highly controversial critique of the proposal published in The New Republic arguing the bill would have bound everyone inside the new system.

This time McCaughey has been making the talk radio rounds arguing that the latest version of a health overhaul has the government sponsoring ******* education.

"One of the most shocking things I found in this bill, and there were many, is on Page 425, where the Congress would make it mandatory — absolutely require — that every five years, people in Medicare have a required counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner, how to decline nutrition, how to decline being hydrated, how to go into hospice care," McCaughey said on former Sen. Fred Thompson's radio show July 16.

That claim won her a "pants on fire" rating for its lack of truth from the nonpartisan Politifact.com Web site run by the St. Petersburg Times. But it has nonetheless spread like wildfire, being repeated not just on blogs and radio shows but by Republican members of Congress as well. Said a joint statement from House Minority leader John Boehner (R-OH) and Republican Policy Committee Chairman Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI), "this provision may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia if enacted into law."

The claims have been highly upsetting to groups like the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization, which strongly support what the bill really does — pay health care providers to talk to Medicare patients about creating so-called advance directives, or ways to express their health care desires in writing before they become incapacitated.

In fact, says Kathy Brandt, vice president of professional leadership, consumer and caregiver services, advance directives need not be about cutting off care at all. "If you want everything to be possibly done; all medical treatment to be done for you until your last breath, that's what advance directives can do for you," Brandt says. "I think most people who are healthy adults, not facing a terminal or life-limiting conditions, would want treatment, and nothing that's in any of the health care reform bills that I've heard or seen does anything that would prohibit that."

So why have the demonstrably false claims about death gotten so much life? Harvard public opinion expert Robert Blendon says it's because seniors are very sensitive about their health care. "Seniors worry more about their health care than any other group in American life," Blendon says. "They feel more vulnerable."

Blendon says it's no accident that opponents of the health overhaul chose to single out a provision aimed at seniors to make their case, because if seniors think they have something to lose from the current health care overhaul, "[they] are really going to be very active opponents of this, because that's not what they signed up for," he says.

And seniors, unlike many younger people, are very likely paying more attention to the health care debate.

"The seniors are really going to read and listen to everything and be concerned if they think as a result of the bill their current circumstances are going to deteriorate," Blendon says.

OBAMA IS GONNA KILL YOU GRANDMA!!!

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

that's just like you to resort to crass insults when someone tries to engage you in a meaningful debate.

I find your sarcastic swipes at me to be no more palatable //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif