why that was nice

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

You are a very bad person....what would your mother say..

she'd call him a nigger lover//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[konechiwa 10+ year member]

you could ride a motorcycle. It would be great for daily driving, and you could still take trips around where you live.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

flip in my class we can only use data from the binder..no personal opinions.. so its all about analyzing the provided content/stats and then synthesizing an argument from it.
It's really fun that way because I am able to string together shit that the binder's creator had NO intent toward.

Really pisses people off when you use their own stats and information to argue against their position on an issue.

One student wont even talk to me anymore and she used to flirt with me Lol.

Oh....we have to collect and anaylze our own data. So there's also a critique of sources.

I have been thinking about the question for several hours. Not that it's so inspiring, but something I never consiered. I stand by my previous position that a gradual incease to $12 per gallon, we could stand. However, there is an issue of costt-push inflation. For instance, if we expected the price to increase at a rate of $1/yr, we would bid up the price trying to beat the increase.

There would also be serious tax consequences. Consider fire, police,school buses, etc. We would we reduce services, increase taxes, what?

However, even at $12 gal for gasoline, there still would be no encouragement to carpool. For instance, one hour of overtime is more income than a week of gas. So, if carpooling prevented me from working an hour of overtime, I'd lose all the gains from carpooling.

It would be pretty interesting to imagine a world of $12 gas.

 

[Rmsanger 10+ year member]

The problem with throwing out the word racist is the more you use it the less meaning/impact it has. Maybe one day the usage will flip and it will be used as a term of brotherhood or comradery (spl?).

For example...

Ni**er turned to Ni**a and is now used positively by those of the same race.

Bad was first bad and then Michael Jackson turned it into good (bad ***). Now that Michael is a pedo is it "bad" again.

So maybe one day we'll all join in and refer to my fellow white bretheren... yo what up my racist!

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

The problem with throwing out the word racist is the more you use it the less meaning/impact it has. Maybe one day the usage will flip and it will be used as a term of brotherhood or comradery (spl?).
For example...

Ni**er turned to Ni**a and is now used positively by those of the same race.

Bad was first bad and then Michael Jackson turned it into good (bad ***). Now that Michael is a pedo is it "bad" again.

So maybe one day we'll all join in and refer to my fellow white bretheren... yo what up my racist!

so according to this, since the change from ni**er to ni**a it became a good thing. and hopefully the same can be done for racist...

so in the possibly near future, we could walk around saying "wassup my waisis!"?

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Oh....we have to collect and anaylze our own data. So there's also a critique of sources.

I criticize sources every week. I not only critique the source, i critique the methods of just every price of evidence used against my position. no one knows enough about research methods to adequately defend themselves.

I have been thinking about the question for several hours. Not that it's so inspiring, but something I never consiered. I stand by my previous position that a gradual incease to $12 per gallon, we could stand. However, there is an issue of costt-push inflation. For instance, if we expected the price to increase at a rate of $1/yr, we would bid up the price trying to beat the increase.

There would also be serious tax consequences. Consider fire, police,school buses, etc. We would we reduce services, increase taxes, what?

I agree that if it is a sudden increase it could be disastrous, however this only strengthens my argument that we should slowly raise the taxes on gasoline to $12-$15 a gallon over the next decade. Our dependence on oil is our Achilles’ heel and i believe that addressing this preemptively is the wisest path to choose.

Also, i'm not sure how taxes would go down. Please further explain your argument and under which situation you fear it could happen.

However, even at $12 gal for gasoline, there still would be no encouragement to carpool. For instance, one hour of overtime is more income than a week of gas. So, if carpooling prevented me from working an hour of overtime, I'd lose all the gains from carpooling.

It would be pretty interesting to imagine a world of $12 gas.

Well if you carpool and want to work overtime, just use call a cab or take the bus. Besides, a lot of people are paid salary and don't care about overtime.

 

[richierich75 10+ year member]

As a consequence, two dominant moods now motivate the Kremlin élite: schadenfreude at the U.S.'s discomfort and a dangerous presumption that Russia can do what it wishes, especially in its geopolitical backyard. The first has led Moscow to take malicious slaps at America's tarnished superpower status, propelled by feel-good expectations of the U.S.'s further slide. One should not underestimate Russia's resentment over the fall of the Soviet Union (Putin has called it the greatest disaster of the 20th century) and its hope that the U.S. will suffer the same fate. Indeed, Kremlin strategists surely relish the thought of a U.S. deeply bogged down not only in Iraq but also in a war with Iran, which would trigger a dramatic spike in the price of oil, a commodity in plentiful supply in Russia.The second mood--that Russia has free rein to act as it pleases on the international scene--is also ominous. It has already tempted Moscow to intimidate newly independent Georgia; reverse the gains of the Orange Revolution in Ukraine; wage aggressive cyberwar against E.U. member Estonia after the Estonians dared to remove from the center of their capital a monument celebrating Soviet domination of their country; impose an oil embargo on Lithuania; monopolize international access to the energy resources of Central Asia. In all these cases, the U.S., consumed as it is by the war in Iraq, has been rather passive. U.S. policy toward Russia has been more grandiloquent than strategic.

I'd make a thread about it, but it wouldn't go anywhere, it's too intellectual for the lounge.

Faulk, I would have to agree with you - albeit, I do not agree 100% with what the US has done, our presence in the Mid East is far greater than oil. I have posted on here several times for people to google "Rebuilding America's Defenses" and most have shrugged it off as me professing propaganda, but in it it speaks of the US being the Superpower at the end of the Cold War and how we cannot allow for any other country to gain that status other than us. However, with our current economic situation, we are headed down the wrong path - once your economic stability falters, the rest is sure to follow.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Faulk, I would have to agree with you - albeit, I do not agree 100% with what the US has done, our presence in the Mid East is far greater than oil. I have posted on here several times for people to google "Rebuilding America's Defenses" and most have shrugged it off as me professing propaganda, but in it it speaks of the US being the Superpower at the end of the Cold War and how we cannot allow for any other country to gain that status other than us. However, with our current economic situation, we are headed down the wrong path - once your economic stability falters, the rest is sure to follow.

you might find this interesting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1077380/posts

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I criticize sources every week. I not only critique the source, i critique the methods of just every price of evidence used against my position. no one knows enough about research methods to adequately defend themselves.

I agree that if it is a sudden increase it could be disastrous, however this only strengthens my argument that we should slowly raise the taxes on gasoline to $12-$15 a gallon over the next decade. Our dependence on oil is our Achilles’ heel and i believe that addressing this preemptively is the wisest path to choose.

Also, i'm not sure how taxes would go down. Please further explain your argument and under which situation you fear it could happen.

Well if you carpool and want to work overtime, just use call a cab or take the bus. Besides, a lot of people are paid salary and don't care about overtime.

Perhaps...as for taxi/bus....it's a 5 mile walk and they don't come out here...working at a secluded military base ftl.

If you intend to do it through taxation, couldn't people just get around it? I can buy 40,000 gallons of gasoline on the futures market at ~$2/gallon. Are you going to prevent people from buying gasoline? At $12/gal, it would make sense to buy a storage faciltity. Because of people setting up these cooperatives, we would essentially have a gasoline hoarding problem.

Secondly, there is little guarentee than a $10 increase in the price of gas would actually translate into anything. For instance, in TN we passed a lottery amendment for it to go to scholarships. Slowly, but surely it is going to other things. Pre-K, afterschool programs, etc. The are using the lottery scholarship to supplement the general fund, then diverting general fund dollars that used to go to those programs into other pork projects.

Lastly, I think our dependance on foriegn oil is key to Middle Eastern stabalization. Not to say it is by any means stable now, but I think if we cut them off completely, and sent them to the dark ages again, I think it would be much worse as faras terroris, etc. is concerned.

 

[richierich75 10+ year member]

"Hence, the fourth school: democratic globalism. It has, in this decade, rallied the American people to a struggle over values. It seeks to vindicate the American idea by making the spread of democracy, the success of liberty, the ends and means of American foreign policy.

I support that. I applaud that. But I believe it must be tempered in its universalistic aspirations and rhetoric from a democratic globalism to a democratic realism. It must be targeted, focused and limited. We are friends to all, but we come ashore only where it really counts. And where it counts today is that Islamic crescent stretching from North Africa to Afghanistan."

Unfortunately, this is where our current adminstration has failed, democratic globalism as written is what has diminished the US reputation.

 

[richierich75 10+ year member]

Perhaps...as for taxi/bus....it's a 5 mile walk and they don't come out here...working at a secluded military base ftl.

If you intend to do it through taxation, couldn't people just get around it? I can buy 40,000 gallons of gasoline on the futures market at ~$2/gallon. Are you going to prevent people from buying gasoline? At $12/gal, it would make sense to buy a storage faciltity. Because of people setting up these cooperatives, we would essentially have a gasoline hoarding problem.

Secondly, there is little guarentee than a $10 increase in the price of gas would actually translate into anything. For instance, in TN we passed a lottery amendment for it to go to scholarships. Slowly, but surely it is going to other things. Pre-K, afterschool programs, etc. The are using the lottery scholarship to supplement the general fund, then diverting general fund dollars that used to go to those programs into other pork projects.

Lastly, I think our dependance on foriegn oil is key to Middle Eastern stabalization. Not to say it is by any means stable now, but I think if we cut them off completely, and sent them to the dark ages again, I think it would be much worse as faras terroris, etc. is concerned.

Unfortunately the hoarding is what the gas companies are doing now - we are buying and using gasoline that was not produced using oil bought at the 102/barrell price but rather the $60/barrell but yet the consumer is being charged the future price of the end product of the gasoline at the $102/barrell price. That is where their profits are coming from. Yet, when the market price of oil drops the pricing to the end consumer is not dropped proportionally.

 

[dbhittin 5,000+ posts]

f uck gas hit $3.80 today

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Unfortunately the hoarding is what the gas companies are doing now - we are buying and using gasoline that was not produced using oil bought at the 102/barrell price but rather the $60/barrell but yet the consumer is being charged the future price of the end product of the gasoline at the $102/barrell price. That is where their profits are coming from. Yet, when the market price of oil drops the pricing to the end consumer is not dropped proportionally.

There is no law that prevents me or you from doing the same thing....

 

[savagebee 10+ year member]

not if they're thai lady-boys

or 12 year old mexican shemales

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

I couldn't ride a bike to where I work. It's roughly 15 miles away from the next house. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

You miss the point. You don't HAVE to work THAT job. My point was there is always alternatives, we just like them even less than paying outrageous fuel prices. So welcome the rising fuel prices or embrace the shitty alternatives.