why that was nice

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

but did you kick down the door or smash a window to get in?

probably climbed through the window and openned the front door? why would i break the window or door? it still can have the appearance of a break in

 

[rollerdj 10+ year member]

Did you even listen to the 911 call?
After the 911 operator begged and ordered him not to go outside, he cited a recent change in law regarding a right to shoot an intruder, and went out there with the intent of shooting them.

that he did. i don't know the details of that law, but it's not for a neigbor to go over there and shoot them. it's for is someone brakes into your house that you have the right to shoot them. then hell yea, if that was the case, i'd shoot away to.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

I never condoned stealing...
haha... alright... what are you the anti-robocop? If the only way i could stop you was to shoot you.. .i still wouldn't have to shoot to kill... sh*t... you might have just been having a bad day... you need some rehab after all that... so i'd just temporarily disable you... but... lets say i called the police before i was about to shoot you... and then they said they were almost there... and right after i shot you in the butt... they saw me with a gun out pointed at you... (i'm black)... i'm down... 41 shots fired... you're disabled... i'm dead

Okay... you shoot me in the ass and I sue you for every penny you have. Thats how the legal system works in America. It's not right, but it has happened. And to continue... lets say that anything but a fatal shot would not stop me from ruining your life. Still not going to shoot for the kill?

Reason this pisses me off so much? Friend got robbed... good bit of items in the house WERE business inventory in the process of being moved -- temporary location. They weren't covered. So, guess who gets to pay the bill on interest bearing money owed to investors? Guess what legal system let the only suspect post bail and skip town twice?

No, I don't think stuff is more valuable than a life. But, I also don't put the same value on the life of a criminal as a "regular" person.

 

[konechiwa 10+ year member]

probably climbed through the window and openned the front door? why would i break the window or door? it still can have the appearance of a break in

he said he saw the crowbar and the broken window. I'm not sure (don't quote me), but i also think he said he saw them break the window.

SO again, i ask, did you break a window with a crowbar or kick down a door to get in?

 

[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

some call it justice, some call it murder, I call it LULZ

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

Okay... you shoot me in the ass and I sue you for every penny you have. Thats how the legal system works in America. It's not right, but it has happened. And to continue... lets say that anything but a fatal shot would not stop me from ruining your life. Still not going to shoot for the kill?
Reason this pisses me off so much? Friend got robbed... good bit of items in the house WERE business inventory in the process of being moved -- temporary location. They weren't covered. So, guess who gets to pay the bill on interest bearing money owed to investors? Guess what legal system let the only suspect post bail and skip town twice?

No, I don't think stuff is more valuable than a life. But, I also don't put the same value on the life of a criminal as a "regular" person.

what the f*ck?... even if u sued me... and took money from me... hell yes it would ****... but was it worth your life... NO

 

[rollerdj 10+ year member]

i wish my sound was working so i could hear the tape... the trascript (sp?) doesn't tell the hole story.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

Using a hyperbole to try to make your point, but its more like comparing apples to oranges.
The two murdered men were in no position to ruin the life of the man who shot them. He went OUT OF HIS WAY to confront and shoot them.

True. He went out, told them to stop -- they didn't. From the sound of it they approached him as well. Stopping would have prevented any death that day from the sounds of it.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

what the f*ck?... even if u sued me... and took money from me... hell yes it would ****... but was it worth your life... NO

I guarantee 100% that your tune would change if that was real. Don't lie to yourself //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

And maybe if someone approached you with a gun and told you not to move or he'd kill you, you might take him seriously????

Who knows. I might run if i saw some creepy fatty like that guy with a gun. In fact i am almost certain i would.

This guy knew the conditions, he was very familiar with his neighbor and what was going on.

And how do you know this?

These weren't friends going in the window, that was obvious from the tape. He also warned them not to move or he would shoot, they moved, he shot. Didn't sound like he just went out guns blazing.

You're confusing hypotheticals and examples of why allowing this type of behavior is bad, with believing they apply specifically to this case.

One more thing, i thought you were leaving?

I knew i could draw you in //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

I guarantee 100% that your tune would change if that was real. Don't lie to yourself //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

i'm not lying to myself... you have some f*cked up morals if you would really take a life because you were losing material possessions... suing for money still equals material possessions... i'd go broke and homeless if it meant someone didn't have to lose a life... why? cause i can get that sh*t back over time

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

he said he saw the crowbar and the broken window. I'm not sure (don't quote me), but i also think he said he saw them break the window.
SO again, i ask, did you break a window with a crowbar or kick down a door to get in?

I already told you, several times, that i have kicked in my parent's front door. It was also within a few weeks of moving into that house, so no neighbors knew who i was.

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

Booyow!

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

Who knows. I might run if i saw some creepy fatty like that guy with a gun. In fact i am almost certain i would.

Well, anyone who is in the process of breaking into someone's house, stealing their ****, crawling out the window with a bag of loot and is confronted in the yard by someone with a gun tell them to stop or die.... and still chooses to run... probably can be blamed for their own death. IMNSHO.

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[sundownz Pro Seller]

I'm gonna head out now -- it's moving so fast I have to go back after posting each time to figure out WTF happened *laughs*

Anyhow... to sum it up.

Ideally, I don't think he should have shot to kill them. I do think that shooting them to injure would have been better, except that our legal system is gay and he probably would have ended up worse off doing that, legally. Being that he did shoot and kill them... I can't see calling it murder being that they were in the midst of a criminal act. Is it ideal to have vigilante justice? No, I agree. But it happened that way this time -- and I don't agree that it should be called murder. And again... it's not an ideal situation, but humans are involved it never will be.

 

[konechiwa 10+ year member]

i'm not lying to myself... you have some f*cked up morals if you would really take a life because you were losing material possessions... suing for money still equals material possessions... i'd go broke and homeless if it meant someone didn't have to lose a life... why? cause i can get that sh*t back over time

I can't. I am a 17 year old kid (legally speaking) and actually someone stole my camera last year in photo class. Would i shoot them? No. Would I beat the living **** out of them? Yes. Do you know what would have happened to me? Expulsion. Suspension. what would have happened to him? detention most likely.

I can't get that back. No insurance will cover that. It was my dad's first camera he ever owned, and he was nice enough to let me use it.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

i'm not lying to myself... you have some f*cked up morals if you would really take a life because you were losing material possessions... suing for money still equals material possessions... i'd go broke and homeless if it meant someone didn't have to lose a life... why? cause i can get that sh*t back over time

The law says if someone is breaking into your house and stealing your ****, then you can kill them.

So the law disagrees with you.

I'm not saying that you should go next door and shoot people... I'm talking about defending your own home and household.

And anyone who breaks into someone's home to steal **** knows that getting shot and killed is a distinct possibility... thus, they judged that the possessions in question were indeed worth more than their own lives. So they've already made that decision, and it's been proven to be correct in this case.

 

[hoxie08 5,000+ posts]

I don't expect them to just sit there; i would expect them to call the police.
Calling the police is exactly what i would expect my neighbor to do; I wouldn't expect, or want, them to kill anyone without even knowing for sure what the hell is going on.

Seriously, i have entered friends houses through an unlocked window several times with their permission.

Another example is when i got locked out of my parents house soon after moving into the neighborhood. I ended up kicking in the front door, so i could get inside. A neighbor actually did call the police and i am glad they did that instead of shooting me.

well next time you have two black friends who need into your house, and you give them permission to break your window and grab a bunch of **** and run out... THEN you have a ****ing story.

whatever dude, seriously, they stole ****. they die and I hope they ****ing burn in hell. I hate thieves with a passion.

 

[konechiwa 10+ year member]

I already told you, several times, that i have kicked in my parent's front door. It was also within a few weeks of moving into that house, so no neighbors knew who i was.

I swear faulkton if you didn't speak so eloquently and were so persuasive i would think you were an idiot. I was not talking to you. I was talking to him. He said he most likely entered a window to get into his friends house, and i asked him if he used a crowbar to break into it, or if he kicked down the door LIKE YOU DID.

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

Well, anyone who is in the process of breaking into someone's house, stealing their ****, crawling out the window with a bag of loot and is confronted in the yard by someone with a gun tell them to stop or die.... and still chooses to run... probably can be blamed for their own death. IMNSHO.
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Interesting point... a drawn gun by anybody probably means you're going to die... cops don't aim to mame... and ole nazi boy on the phone being told to go back inside the house was obviously watching too much lou dobbs before he went outside.