why that was nice

[Twistid 5,000+ posts]

Or perhaps that the aristocracy misjudged a mideivel Horatio Alger?

it was a mistake of the aristocracys to educate anyone other than the elite in the first place,

but being how he was born of american decent and never lived in such a regime or expierenced anything of the sort, his books and fairy tells are meaningless //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/*******.gif.a649d21efc0d1fd4890a6428166586c1.gif

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Does killing the handicapped affect your living in terms of survival?

It is possible that it could. If needbe I would slit the throat of a handicapped in order to survive.

I would not kill a deer a call my friends about how I am big billy badass for killing an animal "for sport"

 

[jimmclrk1 10+ year member]

I like deer. I eat meat all the time.

What I am against is hunting as a sport. Killing an animal in competition when it does unaware it is in such a competition is immoral.

Hunters bring food for them week after week. The deer become accustomed to them, and they blow their god damn heads off.

I think that is about as fair as setting your fucking house of fire and standing outside with a machine gun waiting for you to exit.

It's only immoral if you consider animals creatures capable of understanding or possessing morals themselves. Where is proof that a deer is capable of making a moral decision?

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

it was a mistake of the aristocracys to educate anyone other than the elite in the first place,
but being how he was born of american decent and never lived in such a regime or expierenced anything of the sort, his books and fairy tells are meaningless //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/*******.gif.a649d21efc0d1fd4890a6428166586c1.gif

Explain why Indians (not native americans) have a distinct advantage of cost cutting from living on the bottom rung of society. Seriously, there is an article in Businessweek on how Indians developed a competive advanatage by being poor for centuries.

 

[jimmclrk1 10+ year member]

It is possible that it could. If needbe I would slit the throat of a handicapped in order to survive.
I would not kill a deer a call my friends about how I am big billy badass for killing an animal "for sport"

First of all, demeaning your opponent as a "big billy badass" is a pretty weak way to debate. Ad hominum?

Secondly, what you described in the handicapped scenario is in no way similar to hunting a deer for sport, and is a pretty shitty analogy. I am all for breaking social standards to survive, but I can't think of many situations in which I would need to kill another rational being in order to survive.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

It's only immoral if you consider animals creatures capable of understanding or possessing morals themselves. Where is proof that a deer is capable of making a moral decision?

What proof is there that all humans can make an equitable decision as that we should expect deer to make.

The survival of the species is our most basic decision making tool. We share that same decision making process with deer, lions, bears, frogs, etc. Do not think for an instant that on the most fundamental level, you are that superior to any other animal.

 

[Twistid 5,000+ posts]

Explain why Indians (not native americans) have a distinct advantage of cost cutting from living on the bottom rung of society. Seriously, there is an article in Businessweek on how Indians developed a competive advanatage by being poor for centuries.

that is the caste system which is completly different than the theory i proposed ... and your stepping into faulktons theory of "blah blah, letting the good mexicans work there way here, while we ship out the poor americans down there"

being poor will naturally breed competitive advantages over who will work for the least ammount of money //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

First of all, demeaning your opponent as a "big billy badass" is a pretty weak way to debate. Ad hominum?
Secondly, what you described in the handicapped scenario is in no way similar to hunting a deer for sport, and is a pretty shitty analogy. I am all for breaking social standards to survive, but I can't think of many situations in which I would need to kill another rational being in order to survive.

But you can think of scenarios where it is acceptable to kill other living things for fun?

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

that is the caste system which is completly different than the theory i proposed ... and your stepping into faulktons theory of "blah blah, letting the good mexicans work there way here, while we ship out the poor americans down there"
being poor will naturally breed competitive advantages over who will work for the least ammount of money //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Then you would accept my proposal at some point those competitve advantages will be great enough to overthrow the rather complacent aristocracy?

 

[jimmclrk1 10+ year member]

What proof is there that all humans can make an equitable decision as that we should expect deer to make.
The survival of the species is our most basic decision making tool. We share that same decision making process with deer, lions, bears, frogs, etc. Do not think for an instant that on the most fundamental level, you are that superior to any other animal.

I'm not sure I understand your point. Humanity hinges on the idea that people are capable of making rational decisions. It's immoral to kill another human being without just cause because of a sense of morality, that is, the idea that we all share, at a base level, the same set of moral ideals. A deer, on the other hand, lacks the same rational mindedness of humans. Therefore, on that fundamental level, I am superior. If I want to kill a deer to put food on the table for a family, I have the moral obligation to do that.

 

[Twistid 5,000+ posts]

Then you would accept my proposal at some point those competitve advantages will be great enough to overthrow the rather complacent aristocracy?

no because those forced to "competitive advantages" are still being forced to work under a ruling class , just a more advanced one with religion being on top instead of a king

the caste system is still a form of aristocracy, just one with cow worshipping on the top tier

 

[jimmclrk1 10+ year member]

But you can think of scenarios where it is acceptable to kill other living things for fun?

I don't believe I ever said that, not in a serious sense.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

how so?
show me where the poor become weak because of their situation, in what social experiments this has been observed...

ive already supported my theory with the empirically based aristocracy of the middle ages

which obviously is that the ruling aristocracy being wealthy and successfull stayed in power while the peons being impoverished stayed that way because of their inablility to succeed

Genes, culture and equality (Feldman, Otto, and Christiansen 2000) pages 61-86 in Meritocracy and Economic Inequality.

I tried to find it online and couldn't ;(

 

[ssj2xxgotenxx 10+ year member]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/popcorn.gif.32dd9e22fd77e77bc3c907062768fcd2.gif I'll sit this one out, I've got some school work to do.

 

[Twistid 5,000+ posts]

i stand by my basis